Theists, tell me, an atheist, why your God has neglected to show himself to me?

[WinterHold]

But god himself has personified himself to relate to us.
What else do we have to go by other than a god with human traits?
Are you saying people make stuff up by extrapolating? On whose authority?

If god hates gays, why did he create them gay?

The social environment is the first suspect in the homosexuality case.
A disturbed social system gives birth to confused men and women, who are unable to carry on the natural sexual process (natural because it produces children).

Look at the messed up social and cultural system to find the roots of homosexuality. From feminism to male sissyfing -I'm not sure that's a word; but it means where men become sissies-.

 Khemikal

Some atheists wonder why they haven't received similar assurances.  You call it arrogance when others wonder why they were not privy to the divine insight which was granted to you.  That, actually -is- arrogance.  

The design, though sufficient; is blocked by negative ideas that arrogance is one of them.
In other words: look at they skies then ask yourself: is there a creator?

The arrogance accusation comes from the answer to that question; one might answer: 

-No creator; because they the world is evolved around themselves or hence:their specie. They want to be God; and want to feel the drug  of "control".

-There is a creator; One just gave up ambitions of control; and surrendered to the truth; neglecting their own role because the world simply doesn't evolve around them. 

Pretty easy to tell when a movies been recorded...what with, you know, watching a recording we call a movie..........?

Splendid!
Using the same technology, we can see the universe being created; making the suggestion of an organised pattern that formed its atoms a very reasonable suggestion; even scientific and smart.

Meh, I don't think god has been twisted.  I think you correctly realize that these descriptions of god are hideous..but cannot allow that to penetrate your faith -in- that god.  You;ve been twisted, mostly by yourself.  

At this point I agree with atheists a lot; and part ways with many theists, I need to admit more and more that religious figures picture God as a product of their own fantasies or even a tool to achieve the interest in mind.

Defying these twisted images seems like common sense to me; but I'm still insisting that one correct description of God is missed out by atheism; and just like the rest of humanity: atheism itself took an extreme step towards a misty road.

I know I'm twisted. But I know exactly who caused that to me. And I'm being quite truthful when I say that only God heard me, and helped to cure my wounds.

If god cannot be expected to show a bare minimum of decency by such low standards as human standards...then god isn't "the way" anyway..so who cares? Some "human traits" are non-negotiable, even to believers. You believe your god to be just, one assumes? What justice is there in rewarding your sycophancy with surety while simultaneously damning another by his hiddenness?

None at all Katy, none at all.

End of the day, this is your baby..and you don;t get to write off god's stage fright as someone else's arrogance. That -also- fails the test of basic human decency.

He revealed books in human language, and sent human prophets. 

Sycophancy can only be seen shameful when it's paid to systems and other creations; bowing to kings and flags is quite shameful but not to the creator of the universe.

Justice is where we pay to the appropriate side. Who said that all the religious respect God? it appears to me that they respect and pay to their local Church or mosque; local Sheikh or priest.

ignoramus

Simon, check my sigs.

Atlas is a classic!

Nice man, just batshit 

I'm quite modern! 
I just respect brains from all eras; in that I don't think ancient people were retarded.

The Valkyrie 

The sun; Valkyrie. That's a sign; or the moon and the stars.
You witness them daily; even if you live indoors you must obey the clock. That's a sign repeated all of your life.

Cyberman

AtlasS33 Wrote:I think it would be just wrong to accuse black holes -for example- or the sun in a dark night -as an other example- for not showing themselves.

Cyberman Wrote:

Yes. That would be silly. Because that would be chasing red herrings about things that we know exist, that we can investigate and measure, and for which we have data, instead of gods, the actual subject of this thread. 

Many scientific phenomena were mere "rumors" and "speculations"; and weren't proved until recently.
Take the Pulsars for example.

Logic and observing of the design makes it possible to anticipate what's hidden.

AtlasS33 Wrote:

[url=https://atheistforums.org/post-1568125.html#pid1568125][/url]If the sun -for example- showed itself in front of you, you will evaporate. 

If a black hole -for example- showed itself in front of you, you'll evaporate.
 

Cyberman Wrote:
The Sun ahows itself to us every day - it's basically in the definition of 'day'. While it can get pretty hot, I have yet to hear of anyone actually evaporating.

Black holes have a lot of properties; I'm not sure causing evaporation is among them. In fact, you can quite happily sit outside the event horizon of one and observe it to your heart's content (there's probably a radiation issue, but nothing insurmountable if you've managed to get there at all).

My current distance from you is shorter than yours to the sun.
Am I in front of you?
In front as in front; 2M, or 3Meters maybe. You can see where I'm going.
Heat evaporates stuff. That's why the surface of the sun is a no no.

Black holes are very hot on the outside:

Just outside the hole, however, the material being pulled into the hole's gravity well is accelerated to near the speed of light. The molecules of the material collide with such vigour that it is heated up to a temperature of hundreds of millions of degrees. When astronomers study black holes, this is the material that they see

An interesting scary verse from the Quran says about hell:

Sura 11, Page 233:
( 106 )   As for those who were [destined to be] wretched, they will be in the Fire. For them therein is [violent] exhaling and inhaling.
( 107 )   [They will be] abiding therein as long as the heavens and the earth endure, except what your Lord should will. Indeed, your Lord is an effecter of what He intends.

So yes; in this life we'll evaporate -because of heat- if we met a black hole. 

Cyberman Wrote:


Besides which, who says that "God" has such a dangerously destructive nature anyway, and how do they know it? Why should it be intrinsically beyond examination, simply to rationalise away why it never reveals itself in person?

His nature is not destructive. Observing the design he made tells that.
Life is full of mercy, joy, sadness and destruction. He made all of these; and created the patterns we use to decide our destiny. He taught us math; but we should never mess with the scale. 
His nature is not destructive; but many humans abused destruction; abused the scale.

Cyberman Wrote:

Lastly, for the moment, many if not all theists claim some sort of communication and/or interaction with their pet god, which they clearly survive. Short of a full manifestation, why can't we have that? Why must the only evidence we ever have be some combination of third-hand personal testimony, dusty mythology and deliberate falsehoods about scientific understanding of the real world?

Actually; all those testimonies, books and prophets are for us: to understand better. That's all.
People tend to mix messages with their own personal dreams to produce the mixtures we see today; that work in tranquilizing nations and turn warlords and mob leaders into magical, pure beings.

How many versions of Christianity are there?
How many versions of Islam are there?

How many and how many; it tells a lot about people playing with religion; people who follow the right path; people who decide to stand neutral; and people who abuse the scale after knowing the truth.