Cash for vasectomy....

[Autumnlicious]

Hang on Synackaon - you're the one who asked for definitions from me!!!

I asked and got a non-answer.

Well it's all a matter of opinion isn't it? If you really, really loathe capitalism and everything about it, or even just car dealers, you may well look on cash back as a bribe. Infact you may have any number of reasons for thinking it's a bribe or an attempted bribe. I wouldn't, personally, but that's my opinion based on my experience of car dealers, but if somebody else did want to call it a bribe, that's cool. There's no right or wrong in these things, just personal opinions.

That wasn't a definition. That was side stepping the question. You merely took my query and blew it out your ass in favor of a relative statement.

Never mind that language was evolved to facilitate communication and you just threw that out with your redefining things and then blurting out how you can oh so do it.

I haven't the foggiest idea why you're talking about conspiracy theories, you're the one that set up the scenario for me to respond to! What the hell do you mean, "seems like you're arguing ideology versus pragmatism"? What are you on about?

I gave a hypothetical that was very limited. It was you who introduced another faction and implication of "targeting". It was you who set the tone of the big bad side ganging up on the helpless hobo side. It was you who made blanket statements without delving deep into the ethics at hand - in this case you did not identify any form of harm nor any form of infringement.

Your dogged dedication to never hammering out your definitions, never spelling out what, how and why something you claim is bad is really bad reeks of the same stink as our marauding fundamentalist Christians, who also bleat out how they're never understood while shifting definitions and being intellectually dishonest. Just like any ideologue.

And my pragmatic bit came in response to your boogeyman of a third party, in this case government, targeting a specific "hotbed" of homeless. I'd like to point out that tailoring a specific action to meet the needs of a situation is the act of being pragmatic - independent of ideology, which usually would like to substitute it's own worldview over reality.

I think you'll find sterilisation is a legitimate word to describe a vasectomy. No fear mongering intended, but I think the reversibility is open to debate as obviously does the British Medical Association spokesman quoted in the article I mentioned earlier - have a read.

You're ignoring my point in favor of using a word you wanted to use. Words have a history. Just like symbols. Which is why one cannot walk with a swastika pasted on their forehead in modern times and not be called a Nazi. Or use the term "gay" and not have it mean anything but a homosexual. Two little examples that show that minor definitions mean jack shit when placed in a modern cultural context that defines language.

I love that bit on "open to debate". Then again. there are many forms of vasectomy. Some use glues that can be dissolved again. Others tie the tubes together, breaking flow. Some are more permanent than others. But anything short of the balls being removed or the components atrophying, it's reversible.

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Hey, if they were reversible and the cash they paid you was enough to reverse the surgery with a little money left over you could get rich and all you would have to do is become a drug addict! I'm so moving to the UK and stuff.

Isn't that nice then that surgery to undo drastic changes is usually magnitudes above the cost to make the change in the first place?

Vasectomies are a form of voluntary damage to the reproductive system. While quite a few can be reversed, some cannot due to an inability to properly heal or generate tissue of the appropriate tensile strength. It's not a flaw in the procedure, but in the body. We can improved procedures to be applicable to a larger body of people, but there will always be limits and exceptions.

Just because a limit or exception exists, by probability, is no reason not to do undertake said action. Only when it becomes a real possibility. And even then, informed consent, which is part of any civilized country's medical system, is there to brief one on their chances.