(September 4, 2017 at 3:37 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(September 4, 2017 at 7:14 am)Whateverist Wrote: MK, you're obviously using "as" for "because" here. But how can you expect your bald assertion that we have a value only in relationship to a perfect seer with perfect judgment to add support to anything? This sort of "make a proof" talk is messing with your head.
Exact value and perfect perception go hand to hand.
Exact value requiring perfect judgment is a premise here. We know it to be true because we know people's relative judgments are not what create our value. Neither do we decide what our value is and then create it. We rather are evaluated and judged, and perceived, to have this value.
It is so manifest, so apparent, so clear, that something sees us as we are. But what is that something that creates us and sees us as we TRULY ARE. It is the perfect judge.
It is what knows our inner secret, and what is inner to that. That which creates us and maintains us and holds us by all that what we have earned.
MK, you use the word "value" a lot, here.
What is value?
Do things have value? I'd say that somethings, yes... and somethings we don't care...
Does money have value? Very much, huh? What makes money valuable? Does it have the same value to everyone? Does it have some "exact value"?
To my kids, I am more valuable than I am to you, am I not?
Like money, each of us has a value that is different for each person evaluating us.... and we evaluate ourselves, too.
Those values are all different, and none is exact.
This is so manifest, so apparent, so clear, that we don't need anything else, other than humans, to give us value.
Why do you think that your "reasoning" has any merit?
Why do you keep coming here with these futile arguments?
Do you enjoy being told time and time again "Wrong!! Go back to the drawing board!"?
Please think about what these concepts (like value) represent, before you go off and write a near-incomprehensible wall of text that can easily be picked apart, because you're using the concepts in a woo fashion that is not what they were generated for.
