(January 8, 2009 at 4:37 pm)infidel666 Wrote:I find it impossible to argue for total randomness, Infidel666. In QM also every observed event has a precursor which causes it. Is that enough to identify with determinism or non-determinism. Beats me. Also The different interpretations of quantum mechanics imo show that it is (still?) impossible to draw conclusions on discreteness, identity and causality. These are the very concepts that the question is about.(January 8, 2009 at 2:08 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote:Since we seem to be approaching consesus of sorts, do the non-deterministic type mathematics of quantum mechanics suggest a chaotically spontaneous existence of the universe?(January 8, 2009 at 12:36 pm)DD_8630 Wrote: Perhaps the greatest implication of quantum mechanics is that it subverts our intuitive understanding of causality and discreteness.I can second that. Also this looks very much like what Infidel666 is trying to bring across.
(January 8, 2009 at 4:37 pm)infidel666 Wrote: If not, then why should the deterministic type mathematics of classical physics and general and special relativity suggest divine creation? But, if so, then doesn't that put the lie to "divine creation" being reflected the mathematical description of the universe?All we can say is that we don't know yet what happened before Planck time and that at Planck time, the universe was in a very peculiar state we haven't figured out. All options are still open. The universe might have had a spontaneaous begin at T=0, it might have been a phase of something that existed prior, time might have a non-linear aspect at T=o as Hawkings once suggested, it might be an exchange of energy between the other 7 dimensions that M brane theory describes and our familiar dimensions, maybe our universe is embedded in some superuniverse, well should I go on with speculating, for that's all it is, speculation. Some might add in a god to plug in the hole that's left, or a purple rabbit in the 26th dimension accidentally burping our universe into existence, but tell me, what's wrong with "we don't know"?
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0