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The atheists catch 22 situation.
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RE: The atheists catch 22 situation.
(October 18, 2017 at 2:33 pm)JackRussell Wrote: LR, I know you have never, ever been wrong.

But you have also never, ever shown any of your ideas to be correct to anybody that cares about reality.

DK poster boy for the win, I guess.


I suppose you are a reality expert Jack.  Worship
Would you be so kind to explain LR what the reality is?  Thanks




(color mine)

(October 17, 2017 at 2:39 pm)mordant Wrote:
(October 17, 2017 at 2:33 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: No, it is not a catch 22.

Any god, who wants me to know he exists, and understands what constitutes evidence based thinking, reasoned argument, and valid/sound logic, would also understand my reasons for not being convinced he exists. He would also know how to convince me, yet he constantly fails to do so.

So, I am left with the following conclusions:

1. He doesn't care if I believe he exists.
2. He does not manifest in reality, therefore leaves no evidence of his existence. And is therefore indistinguishable from a god that does not exist.
3. Or he doesn't exist.

If he exists, yet refuses to demonstrate his existence to me, and is going to punish me for not believing he exists, then I want nothing to do with a god like that. That is an immoral god.
Yes, these three gods are indistinguishable:

1) Absent
2) Indifferent
3) Non-existent

Technically and less plausibly I suppose you could ad 4) Hiding just to dick with us or more concisely, 4) Sadistic.

Nothing says god has to be present, caring, and existing ... it's fine if he's not, except that there are so many lavish claims / promises otherwise in scripture, that god, if it exists, is not only AWOL and uncaring but a bald-faced liar.


If as you say...........there are so many lavish claims / promises otherwise in scripture, that god, if it exists............blah, blah, blah...............then take the complain with those who write those books or the religions that say this or that.  Lightbulb
God never did write any books nor He started any religions.  Indubitably

I guess you never thought about that mord, did you?  Bird
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The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 14, 2017 at 8:56 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Gawdzilla Sama - October 14, 2017 at 8:58 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 20, 2017 at 2:14 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Chad32 - October 14, 2017 at 9:00 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 14, 2017 at 9:12 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Chad32 - October 14, 2017 at 9:45 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 14, 2017 at 9:56 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Chad32 - October 14, 2017 at 9:59 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 14, 2017 at 10:15 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Chad32 - October 14, 2017 at 11:06 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by notimportant1234 - October 14, 2017 at 2:37 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 15, 2017 at 11:41 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Crossless2.0 - October 15, 2017 at 11:57 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Brian37 - October 14, 2017 at 10:36 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 15, 2017 at 10:13 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Ravenshire - October 14, 2017 at 4:55 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 14, 2017 at 9:01 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 14, 2017 at 9:27 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Brian37 - October 14, 2017 at 9:04 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 14, 2017 at 9:48 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 14, 2017 at 9:08 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by downbeatplumb - October 14, 2017 at 9:18 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 14, 2017 at 9:27 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Aegon - October 14, 2017 at 12:45 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by downbeatplumb - October 15, 2017 at 9:27 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Crossless2.0 - October 14, 2017 at 9:18 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 14, 2017 at 9:39 am
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RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Amarok - October 14, 2017 at 9:51 am
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RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Minimalist - October 14, 2017 at 12:35 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by The Valkyrie - October 14, 2017 at 12:49 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by GUBU - October 14, 2017 at 1:59 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by vorlon13 - October 14, 2017 at 2:43 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by notimportant1234 - October 14, 2017 at 2:47 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Chad32 - October 14, 2017 at 2:56 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by vorlon13 - October 14, 2017 at 2:48 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by notimportant1234 - October 14, 2017 at 2:57 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by GUBU - October 14, 2017 at 7:05 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by notimportant1234 - October 14, 2017 at 7:10 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Brian37 - October 14, 2017 at 7:23 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by notimportant1234 - October 14, 2017 at 7:36 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by GUBU - October 15, 2017 at 8:37 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by notimportant1234 - October 15, 2017 at 8:41 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 15, 2017 at 11:47 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 16, 2017 at 10:42 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by GUBU - October 15, 2017 at 12:45 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Chad32 - October 14, 2017 at 3:03 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by notimportant1234 - October 14, 2017 at 3:14 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by zebo-the-fat - October 14, 2017 at 4:44 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Chad32 - October 14, 2017 at 6:09 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Edwardo Piet - October 14, 2017 at 4:45 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 14, 2017 at 5:02 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 15, 2017 at 9:26 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by drfuzzy - October 15, 2017 at 2:01 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 15, 2017 at 2:14 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 16, 2017 at 11:12 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by henryp - October 16, 2017 at 11:38 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Crossless2.0 - October 16, 2017 at 11:50 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 18, 2017 at 6:52 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by henryp - October 16, 2017 at 10:48 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Shell B - October 16, 2017 at 11:32 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 20, 2017 at 12:54 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 16, 2017 at 12:17 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 17, 2017 at 8:21 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 17, 2017 at 9:27 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 17, 2017 at 9:42 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Simon Moon - October 17, 2017 at 2:33 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by mordant - October 17, 2017 at 2:39 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 18, 2017 at 5:07 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 17, 2017 at 2:44 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Succubus - October 18, 2017 at 7:16 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 18, 2017 at 2:33 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 18, 2017 at 6:32 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by mordant - October 19, 2017 at 11:42 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 20, 2017 at 7:23 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Fake Messiah - October 20, 2017 at 12:45 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 21, 2017 at 9:29 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 21, 2017 at 9:56 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by downbeatplumb - October 21, 2017 at 10:01 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 21, 2017 at 10:39 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Fake Messiah - October 21, 2017 at 4:34 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Nay_Sayer - October 21, 2017 at 10:06 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 19, 2017 at 2:46 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 20, 2017 at 7:07 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Sal - October 19, 2017 at 4:25 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 19, 2017 at 4:13 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 20, 2017 at 7:18 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Succubus - October 20, 2017 at 7:17 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 20, 2017 at 2:16 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 21, 2017 at 3:46 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 22, 2017 at 4:29 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Fake Messiah - October 22, 2017 at 6:31 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 22, 2017 at 10:39 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Edwardo Piet - October 21, 2017 at 6:38 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 21, 2017 at 10:00 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Fake Messiah - October 22, 2017 at 2:12 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 23, 2017 at 9:40 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Fake Messiah - October 24, 2017 at 2:36 pm
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RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Minimalist - October 22, 2017 at 4:15 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by MysticKnight - October 23, 2017 at 7:09 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Minimalist - October 23, 2017 at 11:49 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 24, 2017 at 5:49 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Minimalist - October 28, 2017 at 11:37 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 29, 2017 at 10:14 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by possibletarian - October 23, 2017 at 6:56 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 24, 2017 at 6:10 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 24, 2017 at 8:05 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 24, 2017 at 8:53 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Crossless2.0 - October 24, 2017 at 9:35 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 24, 2017 at 10:00 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Crossless2.0 - October 24, 2017 at 10:12 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Minimalist - October 23, 2017 at 8:51 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 24, 2017 at 6:07 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by possibletarian - October 24, 2017 at 7:55 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 24, 2017 at 10:51 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Crossless2.0 - October 24, 2017 at 10:56 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 24, 2017 at 2:53 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Crossless2.0 - October 24, 2017 at 3:09 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Fake Messiah - October 24, 2017 at 3:26 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 25, 2017 at 7:08 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 25, 2017 at 7:30 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Fake Messiah - October 25, 2017 at 3:23 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 24, 2017 at 2:39 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 24, 2017 at 3:00 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by ignoramus - October 25, 2017 at 7:23 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 25, 2017 at 8:47 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 25, 2017 at 9:31 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 25, 2017 at 6:51 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 26, 2017 at 2:17 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 26, 2017 at 7:47 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 26, 2017 at 2:16 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by ignoramus - October 26, 2017 at 5:05 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 26, 2017 at 3:29 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 26, 2017 at 7:28 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by JackRussell - October 26, 2017 at 5:10 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 26, 2017 at 8:03 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 26, 2017 at 7:23 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by The Valkyrie - October 26, 2017 at 9:01 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 27, 2017 at 3:33 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 27, 2017 at 9:07 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 27, 2017 at 9:33 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 27, 2017 at 9:49 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 27, 2017 at 9:58 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 27, 2017 at 10:09 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 27, 2017 at 10:45 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 27, 2017 at 11:02 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by The LORD - October 27, 2017 at 10:20 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Catholic_Lady - October 27, 2017 at 11:12 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Nay_Sayer - October 27, 2017 at 11:37 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by I_am_not_mafia - October 28, 2017 at 9:38 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by downbeatplumb - October 28, 2017 at 9:26 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Whateverist - October 28, 2017 at 1:32 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 30, 2017 at 5:42 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 30, 2017 at 6:50 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by The LORD - October 30, 2017 at 8:15 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by ignoramus - October 27, 2017 at 10:29 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Angrboda - October 28, 2017 at 9:38 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Foxaèr - October 28, 2017 at 1:37 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 30, 2017 at 7:11 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by vorlon13 - November 1, 2017 at 12:12 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 30, 2017 at 8:31 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by The LORD - October 31, 2017 at 4:37 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 31, 2017 at 4:48 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by LuisDantas - October 30, 2017 at 9:03 pm
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - October 31, 2017 at 7:37 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Aroura - October 31, 2017 at 8:21 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - November 1, 2017 at 2:47 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by LuisDantas - November 1, 2017 at 11:56 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by LuisDantas - October 31, 2017 at 8:36 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Cyberman - October 31, 2017 at 4:43 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Aroura - October 31, 2017 at 9:10 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by henryp - October 31, 2017 at 9:30 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Aroura - November 1, 2017 at 4:46 am
RE: The atheists catch 22 situation. - by Little Rik - November 1, 2017 at 5:04 am

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