RE: "Why not a proof/Sign/indication" - challenge and various responses to it in Quran.
November 18, 2017 at 7:01 pm
(This post was last modified: November 18, 2017 at 7:02 pm by Mystic.)
Different then the signs proving God are the signs proving a Prophet from God.
And We did not show them a sign but it was greater than its sister, and We overtook them with chastisement that they may return.[43:38]
The first sign was a staff turning in to a snake, the next was a bright light emitting from his hand that would have blinded people due to its illumination but it was without evil. And so on and so forth, bigger signs than previous one.
A sufficient sign would be sufficient, what happens when people demand more signs usually is not really to be certain, but they are trying to move the goal posts.
[Shakir 6:109] And they swear by Allah with the strongest of their oaths, that if a sign came to them they would most certainly believe in it. Say: Signs are only with Allah; and what should make you know that when it comes they will not believe?
[Shakir 6:110] And We will turn their hearts and their sights, even as they did not believe in it the first time, and We will leave them in their inordinacy, blindly wandering on.
Once a soul commits to rebellion against proofs and signs of a guide from God like Moses, there is not much that can be done for that person to believe.
If a sign is a proof then a sufficiently clear proof should prove the case to the person and be enough. To move the goal posts over and over again, of course, is something, and in this regard Quran says:
[Shakir 17:59] And nothing could have hindered Us that We should send signs except that the first ones(from your people demanding such signs) rejected them; and We gave to Samood the she-camel-- a manifest sign-- but on her account they did injustice, and We do not send signs but to cause fear.
When signs of God to not even cause fear in the people demanding them, there is no longer a point in sending them. It would just make them more bold against God and the Guide because they are bending the Prophet and the Lord of the universe like a play thing to their will:
[Shakir 17:90] And they say: We will by no means believe in you until you cause a fountain to gush forth from the earth for us.
[Shakir 17:91] Or you should have a garden of palms and grapes in the midst of which you should cause rivers to flow forth, gushing out.
[Shakir 17:92] Or you should cause the heaven to come down upon us in pieces as you think, or bring Allah and the angels face to face (with us).
[Shakir 17:93] Or you should have a house of gold, or you should ascend into heaven, and we will not believe in your ascending until you bring down to us a book which we may read. Say: Glory be to my Lord; am I aught but a mortal messenger?
[Shakir 17:94] And nothing prevented people from believing when the guidance came to them except that they said: What! has Allah raised up a mortal to be a messenger?
[Shakir 17:95] Say: Had there been in the earth angels walking about as settlers, We would certainly have sent down to them from the heaven an angel as a messenger.
[Shakir 17:96] Say: Allah suffices as a witness between me and you; surely He is Aware of His servants, Seeing.
Next, we will look at the common conditions that prevented people from accepting not only such clear signs for the Prophets but also ignored the essential philosophical arguments by the Prophets.
Some of these are "mockery" "joking laughing behaviour" "deeming the followers of the Prophets as low people and they are much more higher in class then them" "rebellion against themselves" and "envy towards God grace on his chosen ones" and "due to that God has given them the authority" (power struggle) and "following what our forefathers have followed".
All these manifest in different ways some more so in some class of disbelieving humans than others, but overall they are found in every disbeliever, and it stems from a firm belief in the Satanic magic of dark forces which is believed heedlessly and a false identity is heightened by which is meant to break by God and his Messengers, which is the primary reason they are rebelled against.
And We did not show them a sign but it was greater than its sister, and We overtook them with chastisement that they may return.[43:38]
The first sign was a staff turning in to a snake, the next was a bright light emitting from his hand that would have blinded people due to its illumination but it was without evil. And so on and so forth, bigger signs than previous one.
A sufficient sign would be sufficient, what happens when people demand more signs usually is not really to be certain, but they are trying to move the goal posts.
[Shakir 6:109] And they swear by Allah with the strongest of their oaths, that if a sign came to them they would most certainly believe in it. Say: Signs are only with Allah; and what should make you know that when it comes they will not believe?
[Shakir 6:110] And We will turn their hearts and their sights, even as they did not believe in it the first time, and We will leave them in their inordinacy, blindly wandering on.
Once a soul commits to rebellion against proofs and signs of a guide from God like Moses, there is not much that can be done for that person to believe.
If a sign is a proof then a sufficiently clear proof should prove the case to the person and be enough. To move the goal posts over and over again, of course, is something, and in this regard Quran says:
[Shakir 17:59] And nothing could have hindered Us that We should send signs except that the first ones(from your people demanding such signs) rejected them; and We gave to Samood the she-camel-- a manifest sign-- but on her account they did injustice, and We do not send signs but to cause fear.
When signs of God to not even cause fear in the people demanding them, there is no longer a point in sending them. It would just make them more bold against God and the Guide because they are bending the Prophet and the Lord of the universe like a play thing to their will:
[Shakir 17:90] And they say: We will by no means believe in you until you cause a fountain to gush forth from the earth for us.
[Shakir 17:91] Or you should have a garden of palms and grapes in the midst of which you should cause rivers to flow forth, gushing out.
[Shakir 17:92] Or you should cause the heaven to come down upon us in pieces as you think, or bring Allah and the angels face to face (with us).
[Shakir 17:93] Or you should have a house of gold, or you should ascend into heaven, and we will not believe in your ascending until you bring down to us a book which we may read. Say: Glory be to my Lord; am I aught but a mortal messenger?
[Shakir 17:94] And nothing prevented people from believing when the guidance came to them except that they said: What! has Allah raised up a mortal to be a messenger?
[Shakir 17:95] Say: Had there been in the earth angels walking about as settlers, We would certainly have sent down to them from the heaven an angel as a messenger.
[Shakir 17:96] Say: Allah suffices as a witness between me and you; surely He is Aware of His servants, Seeing.
Next, we will look at the common conditions that prevented people from accepting not only such clear signs for the Prophets but also ignored the essential philosophical arguments by the Prophets.
Some of these are "mockery" "joking laughing behaviour" "deeming the followers of the Prophets as low people and they are much more higher in class then them" "rebellion against themselves" and "envy towards God grace on his chosen ones" and "due to that God has given them the authority" (power struggle) and "following what our forefathers have followed".
All these manifest in different ways some more so in some class of disbelieving humans than others, but overall they are found in every disbeliever, and it stems from a firm belief in the Satanic magic of dark forces which is believed heedlessly and a false identity is heightened by which is meant to break by God and his Messengers, which is the primary reason they are rebelled against.
