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Atheism vs. the Quran
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RE: Atheism vs. the Quran
(December 3, 2010 at 1:22 pm)Rayaan Wrote: "O mankind! If you have a doubt about the Resurrection, (consider) that We created you out of dust, then out of sperm, then out of a leech-like clot, then out of a morsel of flesh, partly formed and partly unformed, in order that We may manifest (our power) to you; and We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term, then do We bring you out as babies, then (foster you) that you may reach your age of full strength." (Surah 22:05)

If the Quran was invented by men who lived in such a primitive age, then, shouldn't there be at least a single scientific error in the verse above?

Well, there's the claim that humans are created of dust, and the fact that it's certainly a stretch to translate alaqa to "leech-like clot" as opposed to "clot". Because Muhammad had multiple wives, he undoubtedly was familiar with miscarriages, this would explain why he thought early in development humans were clots, as that's how they appeared, though this is obviously incorrect.

That aside, a zygote isn't made from a single gamete, but from two gametes, sperm and egg. As pointed out in the source I provided earlier, the Quran added no new accurate medical information. To your question as to how he acquired his information:

Quote:Given that so much of what the Qur'an says is based upon Galen's beliefs, it is particularly significant that some 26 books of his work were translated into Syriac as early as the sixth century AD by Sergius of Resh' Aina (Ra's al-Ain). Sergius was a Christian priest who studied medicine in Alexandria and worked in Mesopotania, dying in Constantinople in about AD 532 [33]. He was one of a number of Nestorian (Syriac) Christians who translated the Greek medical corpus into Syriac; others included Bishop Gregorius, al-Rahawy, al-Taybuti, the Patriarch Theodorus and al-Sabakti [34].

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According to Muslim historians, especially Ibn Abi Usaybia and al-Qifti [37], the most celebrated early graduate of Jundishapur was a doctor named al Harith Ibn Kalada, who was an older contemporary of Muhammed. "He was born probably about the middle of the sixth century, at Ta'if, in the tribe of Banu Thaqif. He traveled through Yemen and then Persia where he received his education in the medical sciences at the great medical school of Jundi-Shapur and thus was intimately acquainted with the medical teachings of Aristotle, Hippocrates and Galen." [38]

He became famous partly as a result of a consultation with King Chosroes [39]. Later he became a companion of the Prophet Muhammed himself, and according to the Muslim medical traditions Muhammed actually sought medical advice from him [40]. He may even have been a relative of the Prophet and his "teachings undoubtedly influenced the latter" [i.e., Muhammed] [41]. "Such medical knowledge as Muhammed possessed, he may well have acquired from Haris bin Kalda [sic], an Arab, who is said to have left the desert for a while and gone to Jundi Shapur to study medicine...On his return Haris settled in Mecca and became the foremost physician of the Arabs of the desert. Whether he ever embraced Islam is uncertain, but this did not prevent the Prophet from sending his sick friends to consult him." [42]

Quote:(3) why would he lie and fool people into thinking that this is the word of God just to start a whole new religion? I mean, why would he risk his own life by lying? If we assume that he lied, then he would be cursing himself in his own book, and people would've killed him if they found out that he lied. Why? Because there is a verse in the Quran which says:

"Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say: “This is from Allah” to traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write and for the gain they make thereby." (Surah 2:79)

Since I've already addressed the first two objections, here goes my thoughts on the third: why did he lie? I can't say for certain. Power, prestige, admiration, lunacy, I don't make any claims of certainty. As to people killing him if they found out he lied, probably, but not because of a then unwritten book preached by a known liar.

Quote:"The inability of any person to produce anything like the Qur’an, due to the uniqueness of its language, is the essence of the Qur’anic miracle. A miracle is defined as 'events which lie outside the productive capacity of nature'. The argument posed by Muslim Theologians and Philosophers is that if, with the finite set of Arabic linguistic tools at humanity’s disposal, there has been no effective challenge to try and imitate the Qur'an, then providing a naturalistic explanation for the Qur’an’s uniqueness is not sufficient. This is because the natural capacity of any author is able to produce the varying expressions known in the Arabic language. The development of an entirely unique expression is beyond the scope of the productive nature of any author, hence a supernatural entity, God, is the only sufficient comprehensive explanation."

That sounds awfully familiar to I Corinthians 14:30: "If to anyone something better is revealed, though he be sitting and listening to another in God's Word, then the first, who is speaking, shall hold his peace and give place." This translation was one of Luther's.

As to the Quran's literary merit and supposed depth, there really should be a Law of Fives fallacy, but if there is, I'm unaware. For those who don't get the reference, it's a law contained within the Principa Discordia: The Law of Fives states simply that: All things happen in fives, or are divisible by or are multiples of five, or are somehow directly or indirectly appropriate to 5. The Law of Fives is never wrong.
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Atheism vs. the Quran - by Rayaan - December 2, 2010 at 5:55 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by theVOID - December 2, 2010 at 7:04 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Minimalist - December 2, 2010 at 7:37 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by TruthSeeker89 - August 3, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Cyberman - August 3, 2013 at 5:12 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by TruthSeeker89 - August 3, 2013 at 11:26 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Cyberman - August 5, 2013 at 3:28 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by TruthSeeker89 - August 6, 2013 at 10:15 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Whateverist - September 6, 2013 at 10:20 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by paulpablo - September 6, 2013 at 10:46 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Rayaan - September 6, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by paulpablo - September 6, 2013 at 5:07 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 7, 2013 at 3:19 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by paulpablo - September 8, 2013 at 6:19 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Lethe - December 2, 2010 at 8:09 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Rayaan - December 3, 2010 at 3:51 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by DeistPaladin - December 3, 2010 at 4:48 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by HeyItsZeus - December 2, 2010 at 8:24 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Anomalocaris - December 2, 2010 at 8:47 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Skipper - December 3, 2010 at 6:26 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Thor - December 3, 2010 at 12:58 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Rayaan - December 3, 2010 at 1:22 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Thor - December 3, 2010 at 4:01 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Lethe - December 3, 2010 at 4:23 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by theVOID - December 10, 2010 at 6:08 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by DeistPaladin - December 3, 2010 at 1:48 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by downbeatplumb - December 3, 2010 at 2:21 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Ashendant - December 3, 2010 at 8:14 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Rayaan - December 9, 2010 at 2:26 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by DeistPaladin - December 9, 2010 at 3:22 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Thor - December 9, 2010 at 5:00 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Lethe - December 9, 2010 at 5:37 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Ashendant - December 9, 2010 at 11:44 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by padraic - December 10, 2010 at 3:56 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by theVOID - December 10, 2010 at 4:03 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Lethe - December 10, 2010 at 9:35 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Rayaan - December 11, 2010 at 9:24 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Lethe - December 11, 2010 at 10:09 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by theVOID - December 12, 2010 at 12:12 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by DeistPaladin - December 12, 2010 at 6:44 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Rayaan - December 12, 2010 at 6:39 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Lethe - December 12, 2010 at 1:08 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Ashendant - December 12, 2010 at 10:49 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by DeistPaladin - December 12, 2010 at 11:09 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Minimalist - December 16, 2010 at 4:08 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by annatar - December 16, 2010 at 3:48 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Foxaèr - August 3, 2013 at 1:26 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Creed of Heresy - August 3, 2013 at 4:08 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by NoraBrimstone - August 3, 2013 at 5:08 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by NoraBrimstone - August 3, 2013 at 5:27 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Cyberman - August 3, 2013 at 7:08 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by LostLocke - August 3, 2013 at 9:36 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by el jefe - August 3, 2013 at 11:47 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Rayaan - August 4, 2013 at 5:28 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by el jefe - August 4, 2013 at 11:50 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Dragonetti - August 3, 2013 at 11:51 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by viocjit - August 4, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Re: RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by NoraBrimstone - August 4, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by viocjit - August 4, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Captain Colostomy - August 4, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Re: RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by NoraBrimstone - August 4, 2013 at 5:32 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by CapnAwesome - August 5, 2013 at 1:13 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by downbeatplumb - August 6, 2013 at 2:37 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Minimalist - August 5, 2013 at 1:33 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by DeistPaladin - September 6, 2013 at 9:29 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 5, 2013 at 1:52 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Mister Agenda - August 6, 2013 at 4:51 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Cyberman - August 7, 2013 at 5:20 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by viocjit - September 6, 2013 at 4:45 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by downbeatplumb - September 7, 2013 at 4:10 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Zone - September 16, 2013 at 11:32 am
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by viocjit - September 17, 2013 at 3:11 pm
RE: Atheism vs. the Quran - by Zone - September 17, 2013 at 3:17 pm

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