This whole idea that God would love me 'if', is, I think, rather beside the point. If God chooses not to let me near because of some supposed flaw, or whether he cannot, is, I think an irrelevant distinction. Love, in order to be real, has to actually involve, you know, "loving" the other. If God neither does actually let me near, regardless of whether he simply won't, or because he can't, then God's love for me is never actualized. Love that is never tested isn't really love, it's just the idea of love. We have no idea whether God would or would not embrace me in spite of my flaws because he never actually does. So this idea that God has agape for me is hollow, empty, and meaningless. It is like the teenager's "undying love" for her boyfriend that turns out not to be so undying after all. God's love cuts and runs at the first sign of trouble. How Christians consider that agape, or anything at all, is beyond me. That's not love, it's just a romantic notion. It's the idea that God would love you if he could, but he can't, so he shan't. It's nothing real, it's just empty words.
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Current time: April 27, 2024, 8:13 pm
Poll: Can God love? This poll is closed. |
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Yes, fully and completely. | 5 | 17.24% | |
Partially, but not completely. | 1 | 3.45% | |
No, love as we understand it is foreign to God. | 3 | 10.34% | |
I don't know. | 5 | 17.24% | |
It's a mystery... | 1 | 3.45% | |
Abandon all hope ye who enter here. | 14 | 48.28% | |
Total | 29 vote(s) | 100% |
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Can God love? - by Angrboda - June 18, 2018 at 10:46 am
RE: Can God love? - by vorlon13 - June 18, 2018 at 11:31 am
RE: Can God love? - by brewer - June 18, 2018 at 11:49 am
RE: Can God love? - by Chad32 - June 18, 2018 at 12:00 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Whateverist - June 18, 2018 at 12:20 pm
RE: Can God love? - by SteveII - June 18, 2018 at 1:43 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 18, 2018 at 1:46 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Anomalocaris - June 18, 2018 at 1:48 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 18, 2018 at 1:49 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Minimalist - June 18, 2018 at 4:06 pm
RE: Can God love? - by robvalue - June 18, 2018 at 11:16 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 19, 2018 at 10:31 am
RE: Can God love? - by emjay - June 19, 2018 at 12:39 am
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 19, 2018 at 10:54 am
RE: Can God love? - by emjay - June 19, 2018 at 2:50 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 20, 2018 at 12:54 pm
RE: Can God love? - by emjay - June 21, 2018 at 6:24 am
RE: Can God love? - by Godscreated - June 19, 2018 at 2:34 am
RE: Can God love? - by robvalue - June 19, 2018 at 3:59 am
RE: Can God love? - by Fake Messiah - June 19, 2018 at 6:33 am
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 19, 2018 at 10:55 am
RE: Can God love? - by Fake Messiah - June 19, 2018 at 12:28 pm
RE: Can God love? - by brewer - June 19, 2018 at 1:14 pm
RE: Can God love? - by robvalue - June 19, 2018 at 7:16 am
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2018 at 7:56 am
RE: Can God love? - by robvalue - June 19, 2018 at 8:08 am
RE: Can God love? - by brewer - June 19, 2018 at 8:10 am
RE: Can God love? - by Minimalist - June 19, 2018 at 4:45 pm
RE: Can God love? - by brewer - June 19, 2018 at 4:52 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2018 at 8:22 am
RE: Can God love? - by Chad32 - June 19, 2018 at 10:05 am
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2018 at 10:33 am
RE: Can God love? - by MysticKnight - June 19, 2018 at 10:54 am
RE: Can God love? - by Minimalist - June 19, 2018 at 11:30 am
RE: Can God love? - by Chad32 - June 19, 2018 at 11:31 am
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 20, 2018 at 11:44 am
RE: Can God love? - by Fake Messiah - June 20, 2018 at 12:55 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 20, 2018 at 1:32 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Fake Messiah - June 21, 2018 at 1:54 am
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 21, 2018 at 2:25 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Fake Messiah - June 21, 2018 at 2:57 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 21, 2018 at 5:11 pm
RE: Can God love? - by emjay - June 21, 2018 at 5:49 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 22, 2018 at 11:55 am
RE: Can God love? - by Succubus - June 20, 2018 at 1:43 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2018 at 11:40 am
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2018 at 1:21 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Neo-Scholastic - June 19, 2018 at 3:19 pm
RE: Can God love? - by MysticKnight - June 19, 2018 at 3:24 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Foxaèr - June 19, 2018 at 4:47 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 20, 2018 at 12:56 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2018 at 4:53 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Foxaèr - June 19, 2018 at 4:55 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - June 19, 2018 at 6:38 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Godscreated - June 20, 2018 at 12:22 am
RE: Can God love? - by Fake Messiah - June 20, 2018 at 12:45 am
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - June 20, 2018 at 5:26 am
RE: Can God love? - by SteveII - June 20, 2018 at 8:55 am
RE: Can God love? - by Chad32 - June 20, 2018 at 8:57 am
RE: Can God love? - by KevinM1 - June 20, 2018 at 10:57 am
RE: Can God love? - by Succubus - June 20, 2018 at 1:50 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Neo-Scholastic - June 20, 2018 at 1:31 pm
RE: Can God love? - by KevinM1 - June 20, 2018 at 2:04 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Chad32 - June 20, 2018 at 2:52 pm
RE: Can God love? - by KevinM1 - June 20, 2018 at 2:57 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Chad32 - June 20, 2018 at 3:01 pm
RE: Can God love? - by KevinM1 - June 20, 2018 at 3:25 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Succubus - June 20, 2018 at 8:20 pm
RE: Can God love? - by possibletarian - June 20, 2018 at 4:41 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Neo-Scholastic - June 20, 2018 at 5:37 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Chad32 - June 20, 2018 at 6:05 pm
RE: Can God love? - by KevinM1 - June 20, 2018 at 6:09 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Whateverist - June 20, 2018 at 10:27 am
RE: Can God love? - by Godscreated - June 21, 2018 at 12:28 am
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - June 21, 2018 at 5:27 am
RE: Can God love? - by Godscreated - June 22, 2018 at 1:10 am
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 20, 2018 at 1:23 pm
RE: Can God love? - by KevinM1 - June 19, 2018 at 7:30 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Foxaèr - June 19, 2018 at 7:33 pm
RE: Can God love? - by MysticKnight - June 19, 2018 at 7:43 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 20, 2018 at 9:55 am
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 20, 2018 at 1:00 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 20, 2018 at 1:48 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - June 20, 2018 at 2:13 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 21, 2018 at 10:12 am
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 20, 2018 at 1:29 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 21, 2018 at 10:01 am
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 20, 2018 at 1:35 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 20, 2018 at 1:55 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Astreja - June 20, 2018 at 3:00 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 21, 2018 at 10:37 am
RE: Can God love? - by Neo-Scholastic - June 21, 2018 at 11:08 am
RE: Can God love? - by Fake Messiah - June 21, 2018 at 12:11 pm
RE: Can God love? - by KevinM1 - June 21, 2018 at 1:38 pm
RE: Can God love? - by emjay - June 21, 2018 at 2:09 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Neo-Scholastic - July 2, 2018 at 10:42 am
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - July 2, 2018 at 11:02 am
RE: Can God love? - by emjay - July 2, 2018 at 11:44 am
RE: Can God love? - by Astreja - June 21, 2018 at 11:12 am
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 20, 2018 at 1:52 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 20, 2018 at 1:57 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 20, 2018 at 2:22 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 21, 2018 at 10:28 am
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 20, 2018 at 3:15 pm
RE: Can God love? - by robvalue - June 20, 2018 at 3:24 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Valkyrie - June 20, 2018 at 3:54 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Foxaèr - June 20, 2018 at 5:42 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Neo-Scholastic - June 20, 2018 at 5:47 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 20, 2018 at 6:02 pm
RE: Can God love? - by vorlon13 - June 20, 2018 at 6:16 pm
RE: Can God love? - by KevinM1 - June 20, 2018 at 6:16 pm
RE: Can God love? - by vorlon13 - June 20, 2018 at 6:18 pm
RE: Can God love? - by possibletarian - June 20, 2018 at 9:50 pm
RE: Can God love? - by robvalue - June 21, 2018 at 5:52 am
RE: Can God love? - by Foxaèr - June 21, 2018 at 6:49 am
RE: Can God love? - by chimp3 - June 21, 2018 at 6:04 am
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - June 21, 2018 at 7:50 am
RE: Can God love? - by Foxaèr - June 21, 2018 at 7:52 am
RE: Can God love? - by SteveII - June 21, 2018 at 10:32 am
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - June 21, 2018 at 3:43 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 21, 2018 at 4:45 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Foxaèr - June 21, 2018 at 4:47 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 21, 2018 at 4:56 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Foxaèr - June 21, 2018 at 4:58 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 21, 2018 at 5:16 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Foxaèr - June 21, 2018 at 5:23 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - June 21, 2018 at 4:57 pm
RE: Can God love? - by SteveII - June 22, 2018 at 1:08 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - June 22, 2018 at 3:12 pm
RE: Can God love? - by SteveII - June 22, 2018 at 3:32 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - June 23, 2018 at 6:22 pm
RE: Can God love? - by SteveII - June 26, 2018 at 9:35 am
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 21, 2018 at 3:28 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Astreja - June 22, 2018 at 12:06 am
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 22, 2018 at 11:14 am
RE: Can God love? - by Astreja - June 22, 2018 at 1:18 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 22, 2018 at 3:14 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Astreja - June 22, 2018 at 3:21 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 21, 2018 at 10:12 am
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 21, 2018 at 10:20 am
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 21, 2018 at 10:35 am
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 21, 2018 at 11:13 am
RE: Can God love? - by robvalue - June 21, 2018 at 1:44 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 21, 2018 at 2:59 pm
RE: Can God love? - by LastPoet - June 21, 2018 at 3:19 pm
RE: Can God love? - by LastPoet - June 21, 2018 at 3:16 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - June 21, 2018 at 5:14 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Crossless2.0 - June 21, 2018 at 5:15 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 21, 2018 at 5:16 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Jackalope - June 21, 2018 at 5:53 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Jackalope - June 21, 2018 at 5:57 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Foxaèr - June 21, 2018 at 5:59 pm
RE: Can God love? - by possibletarian - June 22, 2018 at 8:24 am
RE: Can God love? - by Godscreated - June 23, 2018 at 2:31 am
RE: Can God love? - by emjay - June 22, 2018 at 10:37 am
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 22, 2018 at 12:44 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 22, 2018 at 11:17 am
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 22, 2018 at 12:30 pm
RE: Can God love? - by MysticKnight - June 22, 2018 at 11:58 am
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 22, 2018 at 12:32 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 22, 2018 at 12:50 pm
RE: Can God love? - by *Deidre* - June 22, 2018 at 12:40 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 22, 2018 at 1:00 pm
RE: Can God love? - by *Deidre* - June 22, 2018 at 1:31 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 22, 2018 at 3:37 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 22, 2018 at 12:49 pm
RE: Can God love? - by emjay - June 22, 2018 at 1:31 pm
RE: Can God love? - by MysticKnight - June 22, 2018 at 12:51 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 22, 2018 at 12:57 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 22, 2018 at 2:09 pm
RE: Can God love? - by emjay - June 22, 2018 at 7:13 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 25, 2018 at 12:34 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - June 25, 2018 at 7:33 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 26, 2018 at 11:54 am
RE: Can God love? - by Foxaèr - June 26, 2018 at 12:08 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 26, 2018 at 2:17 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Foxaèr - June 26, 2018 at 2:34 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - June 26, 2018 at 12:50 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 27, 2018 at 9:08 am
RE: Can God love? - by Succubus - June 27, 2018 at 4:26 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 28, 2018 at 1:45 pm
RE: Can God love? - by emjay - June 29, 2018 at 11:25 am
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - June 29, 2018 at 12:47 pm
RE: Can God love? - by emjay - June 29, 2018 at 1:50 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 29, 2018 at 2:00 pm
RE: Can God love? - by I_am_not_mafia - June 29, 2018 at 2:37 pm
RE: Can God love? - by emjay - June 29, 2018 at 2:46 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 29, 2018 at 1:49 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - June 29, 2018 at 2:02 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - July 2, 2018 at 8:46 am
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - July 2, 2018 at 9:49 am
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - July 2, 2018 at 12:41 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - July 2, 2018 at 12:47 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - July 2, 2018 at 12:57 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - July 2, 2018 at 1:57 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Foxaèr - June 25, 2018 at 7:37 pm
RE: Can God love? - by *Deidre* - June 22, 2018 at 3:00 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Losty - June 22, 2018 at 3:10 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 22, 2018 at 3:19 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Valkyrie - June 22, 2018 at 3:37 pm
RE: Can God love? - by *Deidre* - June 22, 2018 at 4:43 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 25, 2018 at 9:59 am
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 22, 2018 at 4:53 pm
RE: Can God love? - by *Deidre* - June 22, 2018 at 4:57 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 22, 2018 at 7:44 pm
RE: Can God love? - by emjay - June 22, 2018 at 8:01 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 22, 2018 at 8:03 pm
RE: Can God love? - by emjay - June 22, 2018 at 8:07 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - June 22, 2018 at 8:09 pm
RE: Can God love? - by emjay - June 22, 2018 at 8:16 pm
RE: Can God love? - by possibletarian - June 23, 2018 at 5:30 am
RE: Can God love? - by Godscreated - June 28, 2018 at 5:10 am
RE: Can God love? - by I_am_not_mafia - June 28, 2018 at 7:23 am
RE: Can God love? - by Godscreated - June 29, 2018 at 1:16 am
RE: Can God love? - by I_am_not_mafia - June 29, 2018 at 11:47 am
RE: Can God love? - by Godscreated - July 4, 2018 at 6:22 pm
RE: Can God love? - by MysticKnight - June 26, 2018 at 9:36 am
RE: Can God love? - by robvalue - June 26, 2018 at 3:04 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 27, 2018 at 10:10 am
RE: Can God love? - by emjay - June 27, 2018 at 5:35 pm
RE: Can God love? - by I_am_not_mafia - June 28, 2018 at 2:51 am
RE: Can God love? - by emjay - June 28, 2018 at 3:27 am
RE: Can God love? - by robvalue - June 28, 2018 at 3:46 am
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - June 28, 2018 at 4:20 pm
RE: Can God love? - by robvalue - June 30, 2018 at 2:17 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - July 2, 2018 at 9:22 am
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - June 26, 2018 at 9:03 pm
RE: Can God love? - by I_am_not_mafia - June 27, 2018 at 5:09 pm
RE: Can God love? - by I_am_not_mafia - June 28, 2018 at 3:31 am
RE: Can God love? - by Succubus - June 28, 2018 at 6:42 am
RE: Can God love? - by possibletarian - June 28, 2018 at 7:01 am
RE: Can God love? - by Godscreated - June 29, 2018 at 3:11 am
RE: Can God love? - by possibletarian - June 30, 2018 at 7:54 am
RE: Can God love? - by SteveII - July 5, 2018 at 12:16 pm
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RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - July 1, 2018 at 2:13 pm
RE: Can God love? - by MysticKnight - July 1, 2018 at 7:13 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - July 1, 2018 at 8:29 pm
RE: Can God love? - by possibletarian - July 2, 2018 at 9:00 am
RE: Can God love? - by robvalue - July 2, 2018 at 12:04 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Drich - July 3, 2018 at 12:04 pm
RE: Can God love? - by EgoDeath - July 3, 2018 at 3:07 am
RE: Can God love? - by CapnAwesome - July 3, 2018 at 12:06 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - July 4, 2018 at 10:06 pm
RE: Can God love? - by possibletarian - July 5, 2018 at 10:17 am
RE: Can God love? - by Godscreated - July 9, 2018 at 12:16 am
RE: Can God love? - by possibletarian - July 9, 2018 at 6:47 am
RE: Can God love? - by Godscreated - July 10, 2018 at 12:52 am
RE: Can God love? - by Godscreated - July 10, 2018 at 1:01 am
RE: Can God love? - by Astreja - July 10, 2018 at 1:29 am
RE: Can God love? - by Angrboda - July 9, 2018 at 5:59 pm
RE: Can God love? - by downbeatplumb - July 11, 2018 at 3:46 am
RE: Can God love? - by Godscreated - July 12, 2018 at 12:51 am
RE: Can God love? - by downbeatplumb - July 12, 2018 at 1:09 am
RE: Can God love? - by possibletarian - July 5, 2018 at 5:48 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Neo-Scholastic - July 5, 2018 at 6:58 pm
RE: Can God love? - by SteveII - July 6, 2018 at 8:55 am
RE: Can God love? - by possibletarian - July 6, 2018 at 9:39 am
RE: Can God love? - by SteveII - July 6, 2018 at 11:15 am
RE: Can God love? - by possibletarian - July 7, 2018 at 6:23 pm
RE: Can God love? - by SteveII - July 9, 2018 at 9:18 am
RE: Can God love? - by Chad32 - July 7, 2018 at 7:14 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - July 7, 2018 at 5:52 pm
RE: Can God love? - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 7, 2018 at 8:48 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - July 7, 2018 at 9:16 pm
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - July 9, 2018 at 1:35 am
RE: Can God love? - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 9, 2018 at 9:39 am
RE: Can God love? - by possibletarian - July 9, 2018 at 9:39 am
RE: Can God love? - by SteveII - July 9, 2018 at 9:45 am
RE: Can God love? - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 9, 2018 at 9:45 am
RE: Can God love? - by possibletarian - July 9, 2018 at 9:52 am
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2018 at 1:00 am
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2018 at 1:06 am
RE: Can God love? - by Amarok - July 10, 2018 at 1:15 am
RE: Can God love? - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 10, 2018 at 1:16 am
RE: Can God love? - by Amarok - July 10, 2018 at 1:31 am
RE: Can God love? - by Astreja - July 10, 2018 at 1:45 am
RE: Can God love? - by Amarok - July 10, 2018 at 1:47 am
RE: Can God love? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2018 at 1:33 am
RE: Can God love? - by Amarok - July 10, 2018 at 1:44 am
RE: Can God love? - by possibletarian - July 10, 2018 at 5:55 am
RE: Can God love? - by Godscreated - July 11, 2018 at 12:57 am
RE: Can God love? - by possibletarian - July 11, 2018 at 3:25 am
RE: Can God love? - by robvalue - July 11, 2018 at 3:31 am
RE: Can God love? - by The Valkyrie - July 12, 2018 at 1:25 am
RE: Can God love? - by Astreja - July 12, 2018 at 2:11 am
RE: Can God love? - by possibletarian - July 12, 2018 at 8:33 am
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RE: Can God love? - by vorlon13 - July 12, 2018 at 11:19 am
RE: Can God love? - by LastPoet - July 12, 2018 at 12:32 pm
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