RE: Can God love?
June 22, 2018 at 1:10 am
(This post was last modified: June 22, 2018 at 1:51 am by Godscreated.)
(June 21, 2018 at 5:27 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(June 21, 2018 at 12:28 am)Godscreated Wrote: Steve has given you the answer. Agape has no conditions and I said that at the beginning of the post. I can love and do love many different people but I do not have to like certain things about them to love them, including my wife. Like Steve said, God loves you but He will not allow your sin into His presence. That sin part of your life is what has to change, you being willing and God directing.
GC
God loves you no matter what you think, you can't change that anymore than you can stop an earth quake. You just find it to hard to believe that the God of the universe could love you, that's your fault not God's.
GC
(June 21, 2018 at 7:50 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: This whole idea that God would love me 'if', is, I think, rather beside the point. If God chooses not to let me near because of some supposed flaw, or whether he cannot, is, I think an irrelevant distinction. Love, in order to be real, has to actually involve, you know, "loving" the other. If God neither does actually let me near, regardless of whether he simply won't, or because he can't, then God's love for me is never actualized. Love that is never tested isn't really love, it's just the idea of love. We have no idea whether God would or would not embrace me in spite of my flaws because he never actually does. So this idea that God has agape for me is hollow, empty, and meaningless. It is like the teenager's "undying love" for her boyfriend that turns out not to be so undying after all. God's love cuts and runs at the first sign of trouble. How Christians consider that agape, or anything at all, is beyond me. That's not love, it's just a romantic notion. It's the idea that God would love you if he could, but he can't, so he shan't. It's nothing real, it's just empty words.
Who said God would love you "if," not one Christian here has said that, so why don't you just get on with some response that addresses what we are saying instead of blaming us and God because you do not feel loved.
Supposed flaw, do you mean sin, well breaking news we all sin, God allows those who have accepted Christ as their savior in His presence because we appear sinless. But that doesn't mean God loves Christians more than He does atheist. Coming into the presence of God is what this is all about, man has put himself outside of God's presence and it has to be man's choice to return and God has given us a way to do just that, if you do not accept it that is your fault not God's. God paid a terrible price to redeem man and that price was and is agape love. Because man placed a barrier between himself and God don't you think that it's man's responsibility to tear down that barrier? Here's the problem with that we can't we have no way to make things right between ourselves and our Creator, so God through His undivided love made a way possible for us and if you refuse this gift it's your loss.
The bold by me. The only reason you can't actualize the love God has for you is simple, you have refused it, acceptance of Christ will open up to you a new world. You are not trying to find God nor His love and you want God to bow down to what you want, you have it backwards and I'm pretty sure you know you do. Look at it this way I could love some lady I've known for many years and yet she would never actualize my love until she responded to it, if you do not respond to God's love then you will never actualize it, never, and it want be God's fault, His love is there waiting upon you to accept it.
How is it you can define what God's love is and does, you've never wanted it, you also are trying to understand a physical love and God's love isn't like that it goes much deeper, beyond understanding until you accept it. God is not required to embrace you with His love, until you accept it and then it will never leave you. You also can't escape God's love for you because He has done everything to bring you into a relationship with you, acceptance of that love by you is all that's left to do. He want force love on you because forced love is no love at all and a relational love requires two, One has the love and the other seems to be pushing it away, making every excuse to keep it at bay, it's your love that's missing, it is your love that is missing.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.