RE: Can God love?
June 26, 2018 at 11:54 am
(This post was last modified: June 26, 2018 at 11:55 am by Drich.)
(June 25, 2018 at 7:33 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(June 25, 2018 at 12:34 pm)Drich Wrote: In short God can be and do as much or as little as He needed to be to be God and man at the same time.
Unless being so is impossible. It's routinely acknowledged that God can't create square circles. What relationship you see between God being the "I am" and this question is something you'll have to elucidate more completely. If all you're saying is that God can do anything he wants to do, then most would disagree with you on that point. So you need something more specific than what you've claimed here. You'd have to start by at least clarifying what it means to be both God and man. If being God and man is fundamentally incoherent, no amount of Alpha and Omega will get you there.
More importantly, it must square with Christian theology, and the bible, else you're just wasting your time and mine.
well one, I don't know anyone who would disagree that God could do anything He wants to do. again.. that is the definition of alpha and omega. Let's look at where God told john of patmos this: Rev1:8 The Lord God says, “I am the Alpha and the Omega.[c] I am the one who is, who always was, and who is coming. I am the All-Powerful.”
The "I AM" God declares Himself to be all powerful through the declaration of being the alpha and omega. Alpha being the first thought or authority and omega meaning the last who has a say on any such matter. In other words He is complete no other source or authority superceeds Him.
Which is why (on this statement alone) no one can argue that God can't do whatever God seeks to do. Again what authority what rule would be empowered to challenge or make God cease? on who's authority if God is the first word and last word on anything He/I am decides to do.
God and man I thought it important to first describe what it is to be God. As we discussed the subdivision of man (body mind Spirit Soul.)
God or rather Christ Had a mind and body, like ours. he got hurt and he got hungry. When He was tempted in the desert His body and mind were weaken with 40 fast, which tested his spirit or his instinct or need for self preservation to do things Satan's way and not the way f the Father. (Satan way: "bow to me and all you see is yours." Father's way: die on the cross) which means he had a spirit like we did. So then that leaves a soul. did Jesus have a soul like we do? yes, but his soul was the son of God, and not a rank in file member of God's creation. We know this because he refers to himself as such. As well as referring to himself as the son of man. which means he claimed both.
So the question you may ask can look like: did jesus retain his omnipotence? no does that diminish him as God? no As He was still the son of God. Doesn't God have to be omnipotent? Again an alpha and omega can be whatever He wants to be. (per His quoted words) That is where the R/C church f's up in their theological views of God. the see God as omnimax all the time, and is bound by the rules of omnimax meaning God must be the extreme in power knowledge love ect... that is why you guys can come up with so many paradoxes where the church says omnimax only and the bible shows God doing something contrary. In truth an alpha and omega can is so all powerful he can lessen or weaken himself to fit a smaller role if need be. which is an expression of absolute/complete power. If God's power only work one way then He would be incomplete. The ability to completely fill a need or meet someone 1/2 way is a true power. The oppsite is being obligated to go all the way when you know 1/2 is what is needed.
So in essence Jesus was limited by the same things we are limited by, but at the same time where we have our soul Jesus had the Son of God.
Again try to imagine we are an amalgamation of parts that create a being. we are a physical body, the body has a mind to make it function, the spirit is the body's instinct it's the body's direction reason and base function. (think ape dolphin dog) the soul which is the higher cognitive ability God gave us. the part of us that can potentially last forever. God reduced Himself down to fit this frame work, but rather than a common soul Jesus the boby was indwelled with the Son of God.
(June 25, 2018 at 7:37 pm)Kit Wrote:To those who build their homes on the sand yes! To other's God rains down all manner of blessing and riches.(June 25, 2018 at 12:34 pm)Drich Wrote: In short God can be and do as much or as little as He needed to be to be God and man at the same time.
In other words: with the apparent seemliness of god doing absolutely nothing, he might as well not exist.