(January 12, 2019 at 1:13 pm)Angelina Wrote:(January 12, 2019 at 11:48 am)polymath257 Wrote: No, it is NOT a guess how stars come into existence. We can see the process happening right now in several nebula. The main thing that is required is gravity.It is a guess. Observing something happen does not explain why or how it is happening and you should ask yourself why you are pretending it does.
(January 12, 2019 at 11:48 am)polymath257 Wrote: The most basic laws *cannot* have a cause. Why not? Because any cause would be from a deeper law, so the law in question wouldn't be basic.
To the contrary, there must always be a cause for certain things always happening under defined circumstances. That points straight to an intelligent designer of the universe without question.
(January 12, 2019 at 11:48 am)polymath257 Wrote: Yes, the universe from nothing is a *conjecture*. But it is a conjecture based on the known physical laws. Such is *allowed*, but not guaranteed.
On the other hand, in essentially every model, there is something physical whenever there is time.
My personal default is that the physical universe including all of spacetime simply exists. because time and causality are part of the universe, it is simply maningless to talk about a cause of the universe.
It is pseudoscientific bullshit posited only to make a profit from the gullible.
No, once again it is NOT a guess. The observations fit the theoretical predictions. We have fairly details observations of several stages of the process. The only reason you reject this is because of your pre-conceived religious ideas.
Again, there always has to be *something* that is uncaused. For you, it is some deity. For me, it is the universe itself and the laws of physics. No intelligent creator is required or even suggested by the observations we have.
No, the universe from nothing is NOT pseudoscience. it is based on known scientific law and has many testable predictions. At this point, those predictions have not yet been tested, but the proposal is still scientific.
