RE: Ecology topic
September 28, 2019 at 6:38 am
(This post was last modified: September 28, 2019 at 6:48 am by The Grand Nudger.)
This will be specific to the US (though it's generally applicable to any developed country).
The majority of fossil fuel energy consumption relates to industry and transportation. These are efficient and (currently) non negotiable uses of fossil fuel energy. Even if the worlds population has to live in bubbles someday, a human life inside the bubble will be demonstrably and qualitatively better on account of it. Already is, a physical bubble is just a monument to how we already address environmental issues and their relationship to humanity. IMO, the real major hurdle in tackling the climate crisis is finding alternatives to that consumption which can be offered to the much larger portion of the worlds population just now seeking the benefits of that consumption, as we've had for all these years.
As nutballs rightly note - it doesn't matter what the now developed world does, short of offering a new and equal paradigm for development. Anything less is just telling the global poors why they cant have sterile syringes and food (spoiler alert, we bought them all). That will never fly.
to add to the above, whatever effect the current way of conceptualizing the issue has had, it seems insufficient. While less in each category, residential and commercial use of fossil fuel energy together account for as much as transportation or industry alone (and a huge chunk of "transportation" -is- "residential or commercial use"...driving our cars to and from all of those nifty stores). The hearts and minds campaign isn't going well by the measure of response in thread or the levels of consumption seen. What most people could do, to effect climate change, is drastically change their lives down to the materials we build our homes out of..and what foods we eat, when, from where. Boycotting industry and their related transportation, in effect, is a losers bet. We need that productivity to solve any issue however we decide to solve it. Non negotiable.
The majority of fossil fuel energy consumption relates to industry and transportation. These are efficient and (currently) non negotiable uses of fossil fuel energy. Even if the worlds population has to live in bubbles someday, a human life inside the bubble will be demonstrably and qualitatively better on account of it. Already is, a physical bubble is just a monument to how we already address environmental issues and their relationship to humanity. IMO, the real major hurdle in tackling the climate crisis is finding alternatives to that consumption which can be offered to the much larger portion of the worlds population just now seeking the benefits of that consumption, as we've had for all these years.
As nutballs rightly note - it doesn't matter what the now developed world does, short of offering a new and equal paradigm for development. Anything less is just telling the global poors why they cant have sterile syringes and food (spoiler alert, we bought them all). That will never fly.
to add to the above, whatever effect the current way of conceptualizing the issue has had, it seems insufficient. While less in each category, residential and commercial use of fossil fuel energy together account for as much as transportation or industry alone (and a huge chunk of "transportation" -is- "residential or commercial use"...driving our cars to and from all of those nifty stores). The hearts and minds campaign isn't going well by the measure of response in thread or the levels of consumption seen. What most people could do, to effect climate change, is drastically change their lives down to the materials we build our homes out of..and what foods we eat, when, from where. Boycotting industry and their related transportation, in effect, is a losers bet. We need that productivity to solve any issue however we decide to solve it. Non negotiable.
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