How about this..

[Drich]

1Again, "good" is not apart of God's economy it is not apart of biblical Cristian why? because we are all sinners and there is no Good besides an arbitrary standard we create call morality which again is just the level of sin we find acceptable to live with.. We are not so much good when we are moral we simply have a different standard/tolerance for evil and sin.

2We are different because we acknowledge there is no good enough to earn what God is offering, we must simply admit we are slaves to sin and seek or want a better life through the atonement Christ offers. Aside from my time studying the bible and me unsuccessfully trying to refrain from cussing you all out, how different are we? it's not here that we change completely or are different it is in the next life that change will be evident.

3What we do.. is the best we can. this maybe a greater effort than others it maybe less. the work or final product is not the measure but how close to full capacity did our efforts take. that is what God looks at.  

4As I said our species will never reach a perfect utopia because satan literally rules all of those who sin in this life. that is all of us and we live in his kingdom. Satan is not to king of hell satan is the king of this world, so why would you ever expect to have a utopia here?

5I disagree look at how the world work without over site. look at the nations the first world has forgotten. that corruption is the nature of the majority of the people on this planet. You are speaking of people who live in modern western world... and you can only say those things because you do not have a better example only societies that are tearing themselves apart. which is only one or two era of civilization behind you.

6Kindness can be found in nazi germany. it is not hard to identify kindness the worse the world is. Oscar Schindler was kind and saves hundreds of jews... however if you took him out of nazi germany and looked and judged him on his business practices and child labor laws and everything that a company has to abide by in this day and age... he would spend the rest of his life in jail doing the exact same 'kindness' he did with the germans. Kindness in not a true measure of anything. it is simply a selfless act one measure of the status quo. if you raise the status quo like comparing schindler's works to a business man's ethics today we would rightfully and literally identify him as a full on nazi!!!  Another act of kindness in the early 1900s was to take the "pick up milk" from home delivery Unrefrigerated milk that had been left the day before and a family did not use it all would leave the bottle out to be picked up collected and redistributed to orphanages and give out to the homeless in the form of raw milk cheese or butter. Take that act of kindness from 1901 and try and do this today with expired milk and they will burry you under the jail! Kindness again is a junk standard that only identifies one order of measure above the evil a society finds acceptable to live with.

Like wise our collective kindness could be seen by future generations as barbaric or hypocritical considering what they will be doing or how they judge our useage of our resources. Why? because morality has no permanent standards. nothing is set in stone what is moral one day is immoral the next. because different societies and different generations even with in the same society are willing to live with different levels of evil.

7here you are right religion is not a cure, it in fact is another level of evil when left unchecked. Religion should be considered nothing more than training wheels or a place to learn how to commune with God on your own. from there we must try an learn to live in a freedom that will not crush those who must live under rights and law.

Because that is what biblical Christianity is despite what religion has told us it is. it is freedom from rules and regulations. it is direct contact with God and it is available here and now as opposed to every other religion after life.

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check out post 77. everything is explained in great detail.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-59442-page-8.html

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Again I asked you to point out my infraction, otherwise without proof it was rigged.

If I did that, what would happen to your journey towards self-improvement?

Boru

So it was rigged. I knew it. not an honorable person among you.