How about this..

[The Grand Nudger]

You gotta really want the lulz to work in this turd mine.

[Mister Agenda]

If Drich actually stopped posting 3 pages ago, and used the time saved to seek out some 2nd year physics student on the low end of grade scale to receive some actually edifying enlightenment and illumination about the subject, rather than doubling down on the ridiculous propositions that pops into his head like the universe, much less real thinking humans, could possibly give a rat's ass about his ignorant ramblings, he would have already become a better person than he actually could ever be in reality.

Again big picture, this is my education. I am learning how to deal and work with people who hate you and think you are nothing. I am seeking how to relate compromise and identify need and help fill that need in people. Big picture I've done this with 15is years working one on one in the inner city of orlando, I did this again in a collage age singles ministry comprised of students from state schools tech schools and a radio broad cast school. helping them solve the problems that arose with higher education and faith. in my specific industry, and in drug and substance addicted family members. Show me a degree where any of what you identified matters to any of those people. Stood in front of you you would never know which there I used when speaking you would not know I did not know how to spell or had trouble with reading.. unless I get super tired and then the stuttering and word jumble takes over. But otherwise know I can teach a class of technicians for 2 weeks from source material written in italian without speaking the language or even heard it spoken fluently before. all i had was one broken english italian engineer and his books. I was literally one day a head of the class the whole time on a product new to the world. not one person thought I has any deficiency or problem. we rented out a vo tech school for 2 weeks to teach this class and afterwards I was offered a job. Everyone took a basic knowledge test and not one passed 75 people maybe (we had way more attendees but 75 where the people who mattered) and at the end all 75 legitly got their master certification. no preparation nothing. I simply saw the italian engineer struggling and helped him in english then started answering questions like i do here... but respected for it. after lunch I took over that first day.

Again I am not seeking to meet some artificial goal or marker of intelligence. I am training right now i am learning right now nothing is wasted nothing is arbitrary. I am better than when I began and i will be better by the end of the year..

And again I know the popular idea is I am dumb and ineffective but at the same time I have 47 reps.. I know many of you have way more... but how many do you have on a christian site? how much harder is it to be respected enough to have a conversation with someone who hates you or thinks you are not worthy to speak with let alone openly acknowledge your work and even leave a corresponding comment. plus 172 pages of kudoes.. I know most of you have 10xs that.. but again how many kudoes would you have if everything you stood for wa hated by everyone else where you are at? every time you opened your mouth in religion or politics it was considered an affront to everything some one else believes???
Then I have 16 pages of PMs and not all are admin warnings.. a lot a great deal are members contacting me personally asking things they dare not ask infront of the crowd.. and in emails I have several regular correspondence one of which after 6 years of back and forth went from hating God to finding a church gtting baptized and the whole 9 yards. Not to mention the core members here do have some respect for me on some level as there was a 60+ page petition to have me 'nuked.' (eliminated just because) Despite the majority wanting me gone, those who matter here thankfully kept me on. Tell me which web site you have 60 pages of complaints on that you are still a member of.

Remember I am happy and found my version of success..

So what does a degree buy, that I do not already have? which degree ensures any of what I listed above happens? which degree see my wife through her heroin addiction, which degree has me succeed in a job that maybe 25 other people in the united states can do? which degree helps me help collage kids not only push back their teachers and maintain their faith but also allows many of them to date and get married? or allows me to work in the worst neighborhood in our city without ever being hurt.. which one allows me to do all of that and again has me speak to people daily who hate and do not respect anything i say or do yet generates hope for those in need? which one ensures the direction I am going?

To me all i see.. is a degree placates those who to not have the ability to learn and succeed on their own. a degree is little more than affirmation that you can be taught to think like the group to be forced to accept and assimilate knowledge if it is packaged the right way. and to scoff at anyone who sources info any other way. The current system of education is primitive at best. it is designed to inform in an age where access to source material was at best limited. so it 'teaches.' which is obsolete. why? because information is no longer a secret commodity that needed a degree to access. what we need now is to know how and what to access and how to discern or rank material.. inessence we do not need to be taught and learn we need to know how to think for ourselves and how to access our ability to learn. We are in the dark ages when it comes to education and higher learning because we are not teaching or supporting thinkers in fact we shunn and shoot people down when they reach too high. (look at how you all responded to elon musk and his neural matrix uplink idea.) our current system is designed to foster group think and control. look at what was said when trump won the election..

The uneducated put him in office... yes I know thisplays well with those who have been taught to think they are better but truy look at this narrative. The news, a group think education source all but told you whom to vote for and why. they used all of the good key words for clinton and all of the bad key words for trump they even rigged all of the polls to show she would win in a landslide... yet trump won... why? because to them not enough people where trained to blindly accept the news/educated source of info.

This is what you are selling because why? oh, yeah it is also against God and inorder for me to be 'properly educated' I can not have my own ideas about God. I have to go with what educated people say which does not allow for religion... why? because religion is control... but education is not?

no thanks..

I am here because that is where God needs me to be.. I do have a clear vision for the future which once this is complete or i feel like it can take a back brner I will move on to the next thing which will mean a larger audience.

If I can succeed here in my weakness Imagine the damage i will do when God say it is time to shift to my strengths...

I appreciate the work you've done for the disadvantaged, Drich, but none of that makes a geothermal power plant a perpetual motion machine, just one that has the potential to run for a very long time. An actual perpetual motion machine could hypothetically run forever without any ongoing energy input. You don't need a degree in physics to understand that, just a willingness to admit you weren't using the right term to describe what you were talking about.

[Brian37]

Again big picture, this is my education. I am learning how to deal and work with people who hate you and think you are nothing. I am seeking how to relate compromise and identify need and help fill that need in people. Big picture I've done this with 15is years working one on one in the inner city of orlando, I did this again in a collage age singles ministry comprised of students from state schools tech schools and a radio broad cast school. helping them solve the problems that arose with higher education and faith. in my specific industry, and in drug and substance addicted  family members. Show me a degree where any of what you identified matters to any of those people. Stood in front of you you would never know which there I used when speaking you would not know I did not know how to spell or had trouble with reading.. unless I get super tired and then the stuttering and word jumble takes over. But otherwise know I can teach a class of technicians for 2 weeks from source material written in italian without speaking the language or even heard it spoken fluently before. all i had was one broken english italian engineer and his books. I was literally one day a head of the class the whole time on a product new to the world. not one person thought I has any deficiency or problem. we rented out a vo tech school for 2 weeks to teach this class and afterwards I was offered a job. Everyone took a basic knowledge test and not one passed 75 people maybe (we had way more attendees but 75 where the people who mattered) and at the end all 75 legitly got their master certification. no preparation nothing. I simply saw the italian engineer struggling and helped him in english then started answering questions like i do here... but respected for it. after lunch I took over that first day.

Again I am not seeking to meet some artificial goal or marker of intelligence. I am training right now i am learning right now nothing is wasted nothing is arbitrary. I am better than when I began and i will be better by the end of the year..

And again I know the popular idea is I am dumb and ineffective but at the same time I have 47 reps.. I know many of you have way more... but how many do you have on a christian site? how much harder is it to be respected enough to have a conversation with someone who hates you or thinks you are not worthy to speak with let alone openly acknowledge your work and even leave a corresponding comment. plus 172 pages of kudoes.. I know most of you have 10xs that.. but again how many kudoes would you have if everything you stood for wa hated by everyone else where you are at? every time you opened your mouth in religion or politics it was considered an affront to everything some one else believes???
Then I have 16 pages of PMs and not all are admin warnings.. a lot a great deal are members contacting me personally asking things they dare not ask infront of the crowd.. and in emails I have several regular correspondence one of which after 6 years of back and forth went from hating God to finding a church gtting baptized and the whole 9 yards. Not to mention the core members here do have some respect for me on some level as there was a 60+ page petition to have me 'nuked.' (eliminated just because) Despite the majority wanting me gone, those who matter here thankfully kept me on. Tell me which web site you have 60 pages of complaints on that you are still a member of.

Remember I am happy and found my version of success..

So what does a degree buy, that I do not already have?  which degree ensures any of what I listed above happens? which degree see my wife through her heroin addiction, which degree has me succeed in a job that maybe 25 other people in the united states can do? which degree helps me help collage kids not only push back their teachers and maintain their faith but also allows many of them to date and get married? or allows me to work in the worst neighborhood in our city without ever being hurt.. which one allows me to do all of that and again has me speak to people daily who hate and do not respect anything i say or do yet generates hope for those in need? which one ensures the direction I am going?

To me all i see.. is a degree placates those who to not have the ability to learn and succeed on their own. a degree is little more than affirmation that you can be taught to think like the group to be forced to accept and assimilate knowledge if it is packaged the right way. and to scoff at anyone who sources info any other way. The current system of education is primitive at best. it is designed to inform in an age where access to source material was at best limited. so it 'teaches.' which is obsolete. why? because information is no longer a secret commodity that needed a degree to access. what we need now is to know how and what to access and how to discern or rank material.. inessence we do not need to be taught and learn we need to know how to think for ourselves and how to access our ability to learn. We are in the dark ages when it comes to education and higher learning because we are not teaching or supporting thinkers in fact we shunn and shoot people down when they reach too high. (look at how you all responded to elon musk and his neural matrix uplink idea.) our current system is designed to foster group think and control. look at what was said when trump won the election..

The uneducated put him in office... yes I know thisplays well with those who have been taught to think they are better but truy look at this narrative. The news, a group think education source all but told you whom to vote for and why. they used all of the good key words for clinton and all of the bad key words for trump they even rigged all of the polls to show she would win in a landslide... yet trump won... why? because to them not enough people where trained to blindly accept the news/educated source of info.

This is what you are selling because why? oh, yeah it is also against God and inorder for me to be 'properly educated' I can not have my own ideas about God. I have to go with what educated people say which does not allow for religion... why? because religion is control... but education is not?

no thanks..

I am here because that is where God needs me to be.. I do have a clear vision for the future which once this is complete or i feel like it can take a back brner I will move on to the next thing which will mean a larger audience.

If I can succeed here in my weakness Imagine the damage i will do when God say it is time to shift to my strengths...

I appreciate the work you've done for the disadvantaged, Drich, but none of that makes a geothermal power plant a perpetual motion machine, just one that has the potential to run for a very long time. An actual perpetual motion machine could hypothetically run forever without any ongoing energy input. You don't need a degree in physics to understand that, just a willingness to admit you weren't using the right term to describe what you were talking about.

Once you converse with a wide sample of your fellow humans worldwide of all religions, the same pattern emerges.

"I am good because"
"My religion says"
"Look what we did"

But in reality, our species has never reached a perfect utopia. In reality our species has always had conflict, even between the sub sects of the same umbrella religions, not just against other religions. In reality there is not one nation that does not have hospitals or prisons.

That says to me, our species morality, our behaviors are not coming from old mythology, or super natural cognitions. I will say it again. I think most humans are good. I simply disagree that humans need any religion. I disagree that morality is being handed to our species from a divine place or a God or Gods.

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Despite what humans get sold, you can find acts of kindness worldwide. Our species ability to be cruel or kind existed long before any written language or nation. Our ability to be cruel to our fellow humans existed after the first written languages and nations, and still exists worldwide today.

Religion is not a cure. While it is not something one can eradicate from the planet, it is still a horrible way to conduct political diplomacy, even within the competing sects of the same nation, much less other religions.

[Drich]

I appreciate the work you've done for the disadvantaged, Drich, but none of that makes a geothermal power plant a perpetual motion machine, just one that has the potential to run for a very long time. An actual perpetual motion machine could hypothetically run forever without any ongoing energy input. You don't need a degree in physics to understand that, just a willingness to admit you weren't using the right term to describe what you were talking about.

Once you converse with a wide sample of your fellow humans worldwide of all religions, the same pattern emerges.

1"I am good because"
2"My religion says"
3"Look what we did"

4But in reality, our species has never reached a perfect utopia. In reality our species has always had conflict, even between the sub sects of the same umbrella religions, not just against other religions. In reality there is not one nation that does not have hospitals or prisons.

5That says to me, our species morality, our behaviors are not coming from old mythology, or super natural cognitions. I will say it again. I think most humans are good. I simply disagree that humans need any religion. I disagree that morality is being handed to our species from a divine place or a God or Gods.

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6Despite what humans get sold, you can find acts of kindness worldwide. Our species ability to be cruel or kind existed long before any written language or nation. Our ability to be cruel to our fellow humans existed after the first written languages and nations, and still exists worldwide today.

7Religion is not a cure. While it is not something one can eradicate from the planet, it is still a horrible way to conduct political diplomacy, even within the competing sects of the same nation, much less other religions.

1Again, "good" is not apart of God's economy it is not apart of biblical Cristian why? because we are all sinners and there is no Good besides an arbitrary standard we create call morality which again is just the level of sin we find acceptable to live with.. We are not so much good when we are moral we simply have a different standard/tolerance for evil and sin.

2We are different because we acknowledge there is no good enough to earn what God is offering, we must simply admit we are slaves to sin and seek or want a better life through the atonement Christ offers. Aside from my time studying the bible and me unsuccessfully trying to refrain from cussing you all out, how different are we? it's not here that we change completely or are different it is in the next life that change will be evident.

3What we do.. is the best we can. this maybe a greater effort than others it maybe less. the work or final product is not the measure but how close to full capacity did our efforts take. that is what God looks at.  

4As I said our species will never reach a perfect utopia because satan literally rules all of those who sin in this life. that is all of us and we live in his kingdom. Satan is not to king of hell satan is the king of this world, so why would you ever expect to have a utopia here?

5I disagree look at how the world work without over site. look at the nations the first world has forgotten. that corruption is the nature of the majority of the people on this planet. You are speaking of people who live in modern western world... and you can only say those things because you do not have a better example only societies that are tearing themselves apart. which is only one or two era of civilization behind you.

6Kindness can be found in nazi germany. it is not hard to identify kindness the worse the world is. Oscar Schindler was kind and saves hundreds of jews... however if you took him out of nazi germany and looked and judged him on his business practices and child labor laws and everything that a company has to abide by in this day and age... he would spend the rest of his life in jail doing the exact same 'kindness' he did with the germans. Kindness in not a true measure of anything. it is simply a selfless act one measure of the status quo. if you raise the status quo like comparing schindler's works to a business man's ethics today we would rightfully and literally identify him as a full on nazi!!!  Another act of kindness in the early 1900s was to take the "pick up milk" from home delivery Unrefrigerated milk that had been left the day before and a family did not use it all would leave the bottle out to be picked up collected and redistributed to orphanages and give out to the homeless in the form of raw milk cheese or butter. Take that act of kindness from 1901 and try and do this today with expired milk and they will burry you under the jail! Kindness again is a junk standard that only identifies one order of measure above the evil a society finds acceptable to live with.

Like wise our collective kindness could be seen by future generations as barbaric or hypocritical considering what they will be doing or how they judge our useage of our resources. Why? because morality has no permanent standards. nothing is set in stone what is moral one day is immoral the next. because different societies and different generations even with in the same society are willing to live with different levels of evil.

7here you are right religion is not a cure, it in fact is another level of evil when left unchecked. Religion should be considered nothing more than training wheels or a place to learn how to commune with God on your own. from there we must try an learn to live in a freedom that will not crush those who must live under rights and law.

Because that is what biblical Christianity is despite what religion has told us it is. it is freedom from rules and regulations. it is direct contact with God and it is available here and now as opposed to every other religion after life.

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I appreciate the work you've done for the disadvantaged, Drich, but none of that makes a geothermal power plant a perpetual motion machine, just one that has the potential to run for a very long time. An actual perpetual motion machine could hypothetically run forever without any ongoing energy input. You don't need a degree in physics to understand that, just a willingness to admit you weren't using the right term to describe what you were talking about.

check out post 77. everything is explained in great detail.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-59442-page-8.html

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no fuel is just energy that in this case off sets or compensates for entropy or drag, resistance created by the machine.
For example

The sun is the fuel for a solar plant.

do you understand what that means? apparently not look at what is in red... I just said here what you are pretending to inform me in the red. Don't you understand yet??? I get it! I've always got it, and have had for 20+ years.. I have it down so well I created this just to show you all that you will argue against science and technology if i only represented it. AND YOU ARE STILL DOING IT! You only assume you know better, and literally have to ignore what i write and literally create a logic fallacy/straw man to feel as if you are the superior intellect.
Look at the disgust and at how impatient you are here! Over what? Me telling you again what you are pretending to teach me?!?!

this too is a closed loop power production system that could be consider perpetual motion as well, if for the fact the sun did not count as fuel or the energy source that powers the plant.

Again... I just said the sun here is FUEL... Otherwise solar plants could be considered perpetual motion machines.. Again they are not PMMs because the sun counts as FUEL!!!

Like wise the hot earth interior becomes fuel for the closed loop steam/turbine system i purposed.

Meaning because the EARTH'S HEAT IS FUEL for my machine it like the solar array can not be considered PMM..

I said everything you did, and you want me to stop why? because you can't stand it when I am right?

Argh! Make it stop!!!

The sun's fuel is finite. All fuel is finite. This is a consequence of the second law of Thermodynamics.

But you'd realise that this is also a consequence of the first law, the conservation of energy. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, only converted.

Think about it, your geothermal power plant is supposed to give us energy to perform work right? Otherwise what's the point?

You're converting heat energy from under the Earth's surface to kinetic energy to drive a turbine to create electricity (another form of energy). This means that you are converting some of the Earth's store of heat energy into another form of energy that is not heat.

This means that there the Earth cools down faster.

Hence not perpetual.

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I knew this was rigged.. what did I say? or was it the counting?

Either way i am still going to try to walk down this road. It makes me feel better

No, it wasn't rigged as such.  It was more of an experiment to see if you could be honest with yourself.  You clearly can't, as you aren't able to see where you insulted people.

But continue to count.  I'm not against anyone feeling better about themselves.

Boru

Again I asked you to point out my infraction, otherwise without proof it was rigged.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Once you converse with a wide sample of your fellow humans worldwide of all religions, the same pattern emerges.

1"I am good because"
2"My religion says"
3"Look what we did"

4But in reality, our species has never reached a perfect utopia. In reality our species has always had conflict, even between the sub sects of the same umbrella religions, not just against other religions. In reality there is not one nation that does not have hospitals or prisons.

5That says to me, our species morality, our behaviors are not coming from old mythology, or super natural cognitions. I will say it again. I think most humans are good. I simply disagree that humans need any religion. I disagree that morality is being handed to our species from a divine place or a God or Gods.

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6Despite what humans get sold, you can find acts of kindness worldwide. Our species ability to be cruel or kind existed long before any written language or nation. Our ability to be cruel to our fellow humans existed after the first written languages and nations, and still exists worldwide today.

7Religion is not a cure. While it is not something one can eradicate from the planet, it is still a horrible way to conduct political diplomacy, even within the competing sects of the same nation, much less other religions.

1Again, "good" is not apart of God's economy it is not apart of biblical Cristian why? because we are all sinners and there is no Good besides an arbitrary standard we create call morality which again is just the level of sin we find acceptable to live with.. We are not so much good when we are moral we simply have a different standard/tolerance for evil and sin.

2We are different because we acknowledge there is no good enough to earn what God is offering, we must simply admit we are slaves to sin and seek or want a better life through the atonement Christ offers. Aside from my time studying the bible and me unsuccessfully trying to refrain from cussing you all out, how different are we? it's not here that we change completely or are different it is in the next life that change will be evident.

3What we do.. is the best we can. this maybe a greater effort than others it maybe less. the work or final product is not the measure but how close to full capacity did our efforts take. that is what God looks at.  

4As I said our species will never reach a perfect utopia because satan literally rules all of those who sin in this life. that is all of us and we live in his kingdom. Satan is not to king of hell satan is the king of this world, so why would you ever expect to have a utopia here?

5I disagree look at how the world work without over site. look at the nations the first world has forgotten. that corruption is the nature of the majority of the people on this planet. You are speaking of people who live in modern western world... and you can only say those things because you do not have a better example only societies that are tearing themselves apart. which is only one or two era of civilization behind you.

6Kindness can be found in nazi germany. it is not hard to identify kindness the worse the world is. Oscar Schindler was kind and saves hundreds of jews... however if you took him out of nazi germany and looked and judged him on his business practices and child labor laws and everything that a company has to abide by in this day and age... he would spend the rest of his life in jail doing the exact same 'kindness' he did with the germans. Kindness in not a true measure of anything. it is simply a selfless act one measure of the status quo. if you raise the status quo like comparing schindler's works to a business man's ethics today we would rightfully and literally identify him as a full on nazi!!!  Another act of kindness in the early 1900s was to take the "pick up milk" from home delivery Unrefrigerated milk that had been left the day before and a family did not use it all would leave the bottle out to be picked up collected and redistributed to orphanages and give out to the homeless in the form of raw milk cheese or butter. Take that act of kindness from 1901 and try and do this today with expired milk and they will burry you under the jail! Kindness again is a junk standard that only identifies one order of measure above the evil a society finds acceptable to live with.

Like wise our collective kindness could be seen by future generations as barbaric or hypocritical considering what they will be doing or how they judge our useage of our resources. Why? because morality has no permanent standards. nothing is set in stone what is moral one day is immoral the next. because different societies and different generations even with in the same society are willing to live with different levels of evil.

7here you are right religion is not a cure, it in fact is another level of evil when left unchecked. Religion should be considered nothing more than training wheels or a place to learn how to commune with God on your own. from there we must try an learn to live in a freedom that will not crush those who must live under rights and law.

Because that is what biblical Christianity is despite what religion has told us it is. it is freedom from rules and regulations. it is direct contact with God and it is available here and now as opposed to every other religion after life.

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I appreciate the work you've done for the disadvantaged, Drich, but none of that makes a geothermal power plant a perpetual motion machine, just one that has the potential to run for a very long time. An actual perpetual motion machine could hypothetically run forever without any ongoing energy input. You don't need a degree in physics to understand that, just a willingness to admit you weren't using the right term to describe what you were talking about.

check out post 77. everything is explained in great detail.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-59442-page-8.html

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do you understand what that means? apparently not look at what is in red... I just said here what you are pretending to inform me in the red. Don't you understand yet??? I get it! I've always got it, and have had for 20+ years.. I have it down so well I created this just to show you all that you will argue against science and technology if i only represented it. AND YOU ARE STILL DOING IT! You only assume you know better, and literally have to ignore what i write and literally create a logic fallacy/straw man to feel as if you are the superior intellect.
Look at the disgust and at how impatient you are here! Over what? Me telling you again what you are pretending to teach me?!?!
Again... I just said the sun here is FUEL... Otherwise solar plants could be considered perpetual motion machines.. Again they are not PMMs because the sun counts as FUEL!!!
Meaning because the EARTH'S HEAT IS FUEL for my machine it like the solar array can not be considered PMM..

I said everything you did, and you want me to stop why? because you can't stand it when I am right?

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No, it wasn't rigged as such.  It was more of an experiment to see if you could be honest with yourself.  You clearly can't, as you aren't able to see where you insulted people.

But continue to count.  I'm not against anyone feeling better about themselves.

Boru

Again I asked you to point out my infraction, otherwise without proof it was rigged.

If I did that, what would happen to your journey towards self-improvement?

Boru

[Drich]

At work.

Drich Wrote:[url=https://atheistforums.org/post-1922955.html#pid1922955][/url]no fuel is just energy that in this case off sets or compensates for entropy or drag, resistance created by the machine.

For example

The sun is the fuel for a solar plant. this too is a closed loop power production system that could be consider perpetual motion as well, if not for the fact the sun did not count as fuel or the energy source that powers the plant.

Like wise the hot earth interior becomes fuel for the closed loop steam/turbine system i purposed.
I already explained/pointed that out to Drich many posts ago.

Heck..... even stealing angular momentum from a black-hole won't give you power forever.

Drich just doesn't seem to 'Grok it'.

another weekend physicist who's reading comprehension is next to a 3rd grade level it seems...

Kinda hard to take credit of explaining something that was included in the draft

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still doubling down on the proposition that ignorance is power and knowledge hinders understanding.

read it again. it seems you do not understand what is being discussed.

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strawman

The problem was not with your faith. again As I pointed out to you in that post If you want to debate the FSM then please post it in the approeiate portion of the web site and send me a link.

My problem with you was you lied about my methodology. You said I took the position against the fsm, when clearly i was correcting your misquotes from the fsm bible.

Again i am here to bring truth and clarity, you where misquoting your own 'religion.' I fixed it. it never told you what to believe only fixed your misquotes.

Yet you said:
You are literally lying about our interactions concerning my core methodology and primary mission statement, here. because I never challenged what yu believe in fact i have went so far as to read the FSM to gain the over all feel and knowledge to point out when someone is just making crap up verses trying to recall a actual verse.

Sharing is allow but you can not preach
Spam/Preaching

Lumped together, because I consider them pretty much the same thing.

This is a discussion forum, so even if you have a really awesome website you want everyone to see, we don't know you from a hole in the wall and could really care less. If you want to promote a website, the best way to do it is in your signature. We do allow you to promote a personal website/blog if you are an established member. Otherwise, spammers will be banned.

As far as preaching goes, this is a discussion forum. If you want to share your ideas and debate why you believe in God, awesome. If you want to tell us Jesus will save us and repent now or we go to hell, you will be mocked. No one cares, we've heard it all before. In fact, you're fair game for flaming and excessive snark. You will be banned if you keep it up.


If you are interjecting FSM rules or canon into a conversation unsolicited that is preaching bro-ham. IE even if you are making a joke of religion and want to interject some mocking tidbit from this 'religion' then know the same rules that keep me from telling gae blongna he is going to hell for ABC keeps you from doing the FSM version of the same to me via your beliefs and standards. You can only bring up what your religion says if someone asks you directly or wants a point of clarity otherwise that has been identified as preaching unless you post your ideas in the section of the website open to religion or the fsm.

Ive got pages of PMs were the mods deleted hours of work and writing because it violated the preaching rule. again where I offered religious text or religious ideologies where it was not sought.

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I knew this was rigged.. what did I say? or was it the counting?

Either way i am still going to try to walk down this road. It makes me feel better

I have trouble believing you could fix yourself a glass of water without burning the house down let alone any perceived mistakes in my infallible faith

You said repeatedly I broke rules. What rules did I break?  Again I wait.

Absolutely nothing is left of your brain matter is there?

Blessings. RAmen.

I posted it... you quoted it.. THE RULE YOU BROKE WAS TITLED: spamming and preaching!!!! READ WHAT YOU QUOTED

[I_am_not_mafia]

The full sentence still doesn't make any sense.

What exactly do you mean by

"The sun is the fuel for a solar plant. this too is a closed loop power production system that could be consider perpetual motion as well, if not for the fact the sun did not count as fuel or the energy source that powers the plant."

?

[Drich]

The sun is the fuel for a solar plant. this too is a closed loop power production system that could be consider perpetual motion as well, if NOT for the fact the sun did not count as fuel or the energy source that powers the plant.

Like wise the hot earth interior becomes fuel for the closed loop steam/turbine system i purposed.

That is not what a pertpetual motion machine is. If it has fuel of any kind then it does not meet the definition, even if its a lot of fuel.

THAT IS WHAT THE PARAGRAPH SAYS!!!

YOU IDIOTS ARE SO BLINDED BY HATE YOU CAN EVEN READ WHAT I WRITE HONESTLY!!!

[The Grand Nudger]

https://giphy.com/gifs/firstandmonday-5x...DVfXhudrVK

[Drich]

1Again, "good" is not apart of God's economy it is not apart of biblical Cristian why? because we are all sinners and there is no Good besides an arbitrary standard we create call morality which again is just the level of sin we find acceptable to live with.. We are not so much good when we are moral we simply have a different standard/tolerance for evil and sin.

2We are different because we acknowledge there is no good enough to earn what God is offering, we must simply admit we are slaves to sin and seek or want a better life through the atonement Christ offers. Aside from my time studying the bible and me unsuccessfully trying to refrain from cussing you all out, how different are we? it's not here that we change completely or are different it is in the next life that change will be evident.

3What we do.. is the best we can. this maybe a greater effort than others it maybe less. the work or final product is not the measure but how close to full capacity did our efforts take. that is what God looks at.  

4As I said our species will never reach a perfect utopia because satan literally rules all of those who sin in this life. that is all of us and we live in his kingdom. Satan is not to king of hell satan is the king of this world, so why would you ever expect to have a utopia here?

5I disagree look at how the world work without over site. look at the nations the first world has forgotten. that corruption is the nature of the majority of the people on this planet. You are speaking of people who live in modern western world... and you can only say those things because you do not have a better example only societies that are tearing themselves apart. which is only one or two era of civilization behind you.

6Kindness can be found in nazi germany. it is not hard to identify kindness the worse the world is. Oscar Schindler was kind and saves hundreds of jews... however if you took him out of nazi germany and looked and judged him on his business practices and child labor laws and everything that a company has to abide by in this day and age... he would spend the rest of his life in jail doing the exact same 'kindness' he did with the germans. Kindness in not a true measure of anything. it is simply a selfless act one measure of the status quo. if you raise the status quo like comparing schindler's works to a business man's ethics today we would rightfully and literally identify him as a full on nazi!!!  Another act of kindness in the early 1900s was to take the "pick up milk" from home delivery Unrefrigerated milk that had been left the day before and a family did not use it all would leave the bottle out to be picked up collected and redistributed to orphanages and give out to the homeless in the form of raw milk cheese or butter. Take that act of kindness from 1901 and try and do this today with expired milk and they will burry you under the jail! Kindness again is a junk standard that only identifies one order of measure above the evil a society finds acceptable to live with.

Like wise our collective kindness could be seen by future generations as barbaric or hypocritical considering what they will be doing or how they judge our useage of our resources. Why? because morality has no permanent standards. nothing is set in stone what is moral one day is immoral the next. because different societies and different generations even with in the same society are willing to live with different levels of evil.

7here you are right religion is not a cure, it in fact is another level of evil when left unchecked. Religion should be considered nothing more than training wheels or a place to learn how to commune with God on your own. from there we must try an learn to live in a freedom that will not crush those who must live under rights and law.

Because that is what biblical Christianity is despite what religion has told us it is. it is freedom from rules and regulations. it is direct contact with God and it is available here and now as opposed to every other religion after life.

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check out post 77. everything is explained in great detail.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-59442-page-8.html

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Again I asked you to point out my infraction, otherwise without proof it was rigged.

If I did that, what would happen to your journey towards self-improvement?

Boru

So it was rigged. I knew it. not an honorable person among you.