(September 19, 2019 at 5:04 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Wel, obviously, I dont agree with you...but ignore that. I'm asking you to flesh out how....exactly, the assertion of gods violates the primacy of existenceI have fleshed it out and given examples. I don't know what else I can do if you won't interact with what I gave you. Are you trying to ask what it means that existence exists? It means that all the things that exist are real, have real being, as opposed to not existing. I don't see what's so hard to understand here. Did you read the essay I linked to? It does far more than just assert something, it demonstrates, with examples right out of their own mouths. You keep asking me to flesh it out and when I provide you with a link to a more detailed explanation, and you still want me to flesh it out. Theists claim that their god as a subject holds metaphysical primacy over its objects. It can't be any more clear than that. Matthew 17:20 makes this claim explicitly. What more do you want?
To whit, that means that existence.......exists.
Do theists claim that they reject the primacy of existence in exactly those words? No, they don't. They probably don't even know what the issue of metaphysical primacy is. But every time they assert the existence of a creator god they do so performatively. Because the notion of a God that creates everything, maintains it and can alter it by its will, entails metaphysical subjectivism. You can't say on the one hand this god can alter reality with a thought but that it does not have primacy over its objects.
