RE: The code that is DNA
December 30, 2019 at 4:24 pm
(This post was last modified: December 30, 2019 at 4:49 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(December 30, 2019 at 3:21 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: I didn't determine anything, I'm just reminding you of what the word "god" usually means.
In my experience, theists often have quite varied, and sometimes mutually exclusive definitions of god, so before we go forward you should probably clarify. What is your definition of god?
(December 30, 2019 at 2:26 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Who said this world is the product of nothing? Not me. What would convince me of tuning you ask? Evidence of a tuner, and tuning, lol. You have neither. You’re simply looking around at reality and saying, “wow!”. That’s not evidence or an argument. Why am I convinced cars are designed, Klorophyll? Because, there exists evidence of engineers, and engineering; design plans and the folks who wrote them, and evidence of how they wrote them; because I can walk into an automobile manufacturing company and watch manufacturing employees putting cars together using various parts; because when my car breaks, I can bring it to the repair shop and watch the auto repair guy diagnose and replace the broken part. You have no such evidence for tuning, or a tuner; for a designer or design. No mechanism; no nothing.
Quote:Okay. So if there was no way for you to walk into an automobile manufacturing company (let's suppose the latter is in some distant galaxy, casually sending us cars by some mysterious means science didn't discover yet) you would still be certain cars must be designed, right?
No, I wouldn’t. How could I? If I have zero evidence that cars are designed, or how they’re designed, how could I rationally justify reaching that conclusion? Let’s take your example a step further. What if everything in the universe was made of cars? Without any contrast, could you still be confident that the universe was designed?
(December 30, 2019 at 2:26 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I agree that something can’t come from nothing, but probably not for the same reasons as you.
Quote:So we're left with two options then : infinite regress or a necessary first cause. Disagree?
I disagree. I believe that is a false dichotomy. Nothing in modern cosmology says the universe cannot be an eternal universe.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.