That Gay Thread

[Irreligious Atheist]

I didn't use a gay card. A gay card would be saying concede to my opinion because I'm gay. I didn't do anything close to that. 

Right, just another one of those free association exercises. 

I pointed out what the majority consensus seems to be, and you literally acknowledged a couple days ago that most gay people would not like it, but you seem to have come down with a case of amnesia and you now are backtracking by acting like 7 tweets are all of the evidence that exists in the world.

Now you're just making shit up.  I've been laughing at your alleged gay consensus since you foolishly asserted it.  I guess I didn't account for the fact that you might be an actual moron that didn't pick up on that.  Ooops.  Must be one of my many bloopers.  

So, how did this latest concern troll attempt go?  

Again, the move of a liar and someone not interested in a good faith argument. Like I pointed out, someone's opinion is no more or less correct based on sexuality. Weren't you the one that basically said this is for gay troops, so others can butt out? Sounds like you were the one saying that only a certain type of person's opinion matters, not me. When you try to argue that gay people who are not ok with the gay bullets are not ok with the acknowledgement of gay people and therefore basically want to shove teh gheys back in the closet, you are arguing in comically bad faith.

Right, because now that you can't chalk it up to my being in-sensitively straight and calling all the gays that live on twitter homophobes (which, btw, I absolutely would, np..gay people can be garbage too..to believe otherwise is, in fact, bigotry) that I think the military is doing good by acknowledging the existence and honor of gay servicemembers..we'll have to insist that I'm lying.  Lying about what?  Who knows...but definitely, for sure, something.  

I certainly -do- think that gay servicemembers opinion about this matter more than people who would object to any military whatsit whatsoever on account of rolling warcrimes, if the subject is a pro lgbtq tweet by the military - and obviously don't mind saying it..and repeating it..and making sure you understand that's exactly what I think.  Another swing and a miss.  Dude, lets just foreclose on this hope of yours that any kind of concern trolling about anything whatsoever will ever work with me, shall we?  You're talking to someone who can level a weapon at another person and kill them in absolute calm.  Do you really think that a person like that is going to be cowed into or argued out of some thing they hold on the basis of it looking bad to you, or anyone else on the internet.  I've had to look peoples kids in the eye after I shot their parents in front of them.. and I didn't even blink.  Can you see why this has never worked on me.  Can we at least get this out of the way wholly and forever?

That's who I am, that's what I am.  Still, I do wish that the military was as woke when I was in as it (apparently) is now.  It's a hell of a thing to be as committed to something as I was, as many other people were, still are, even when that institution would deny you, deprive you of advancement, dishonorably discharge you...and all of it a farce, it's not as if they would just that moment discover you weren;t straight and boot you.  They knew.  They always knew.  It hung over you like a fucking sword.  Not for failure of service..but for simply being who you are.  I had to ghost some poor fucker who was just the sweetest guy in the world because someone saw me at a bar with him and Had Questions.  Can you understand that?  Can you sympathize.  Has that ever happened to you, where everything you ever dreamed of having hinged on how well you could continuously and plausibly deny a thing everyone knew about you full well?  When I was in the service, I was extremely lonely and isolated because of all this..which was a hell of a thing..because....to quote Tim O'Brien...my service was a love story you silly fucking cooze.

I don't care that you don't like it.  I don't care if some pearl clutchers on the internet don't like it.  None of you are the gay fucking lorax....who speaks for the gay trees....so you can all go fuck yourselves.  That sink in?

I'm not trying to convert you to believing what I believe. That is not the goal. The goal is simply to argue my side, and other people can take from that what they will, and hopefully I learn something along the way and better understand the other side and see if my arguments really hold up to scrutiny. It's like a broadcasted debate between a Christian apologist and a big name atheist. They're not there to change each others opinions. It's more about sport, and maybe some fence sitters will be listening in and shift one way or another.

You basically shat on the majority of gay people for having an opinion. Having an opinion is not always cancel culture, and I get it, you're tough and you've been through shit and discrimination, and I don't discount that, but to be fair, you basically shat on the majority of gay people and falsely accused them of not caring about gay representation because they simply have their own mind and disagree with you on this issue. You need to leave gay people be and let them have an opinion, because they do care about representation, but they also care about representation done right, and when they see fuckery like this, they're going to call it out. Don't accuse me of trying to speak for gay people, because I never did that.

You admitted that the rainbow bullets were not for the majority of gay people and that they're not supposed to understand it because it's not for them and is for a certain niche, so don't therefore turn around and say that gay people don't care about gay representation because they don't agree with something that they're not even supposed to understand in the first place. If gay people in general are not supposed to like this, then let them not like it.