Beating your meat. A hacking story.

[arewethereyet]

Stop making this an "either or" proposition.

I'm not. I said that if you expect corporate behaviour to change, the best way to do that is for consumer behaviour to change. It's not either/or, it's both.

Big business do respond to the market.

I just said that, both in this post and in an earlier one.

They would not market the way they do if they didn't find it profitable.

I said that, as well. If you're going to argue with me, it might be in your best interests to take up a position contrary to mine.

But at the same time, they ALSO manipulate, and pander to superficial appeal to emotion, in vanity and fear, and narcissism, and they know better, but don't care. 

This is called 'advertising'. It's what works, and no - they DON'T know any better.

Corporations are as fucked as everyone else, shareholders are as fucked as everyone else, if all they give a fuck about are profits.

Probably, which is why the sensible course is to give them a reason to give a fuck about something in addition to profits.

So when you say corporations are responsible to their shareholders, NO SHIT. But that does not make them responsible to humanity long term.

Another thing I already said. I'm flattered that you think highly enough of me to quote me to myself, but that really doesn't move the thread along.

[Snipped the confusing and off-topic bit about airfare prices.]

Boru

I think the part you snipped was letting us know how much his ticket to Australia cost.  Of course then there's the ticket he bought for his best friend in Oklahoma, John, or as we know him HillbillyAtheist.

Not sure how he knows someone up front paid 30K...but whatever.

It's important to get certain information out even if you have to camouflage it a bit.