(August 21, 2021 at 2:47 pm)Spongebob Wrote:(August 21, 2021 at 2:42 pm)Mashmont Wrote: Two things. People mess up. Even if they have been practicing Christians and have been changed, it doesn't mean they can't fall,
And then there is the possibility that the very few priests were deceptive from the start and never embraced Christian teaching.
But I'd say most of the time, if someone really embraced Christian teaching, they won't fall too far too often.
Ah, yes, the old no true Scotsman argument. Never fails. If he does that he never was a True Christian. Convenient argument. But again, if people are truly changed, then why do they fall? And then saying they fall because they weren't really changed, that eliminates most Christians. I know of very few who've never done anything sinful.
And if a True Christian just stumbles, then realized he has sinned, why do they never turn themselves in?
I never said that. I said people who have embraced it can indeed fail, but it's generally not often and not far.
I have never understood why atheists think it's worse to try and fail than to never try.