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Can America ever truly pay for its sins?
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RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins?
Quote:When you say it depends, you're talking about it being appropriate..depending.  Americans are not appropriate.  I'm just telling you that yes, it's very very american to give people shit for their faults, more so if you care for them than if you don't.

I don't tease other peoples friends and sisters, know what I mean?
Hmm, would giving people shit for their faults include say criticism of criminals who hide behind a minority identity in an attempt to avoid accountability?

Quote:You don't know what CRT is.  There, that's done.  There's no point in arguing about it - its not an actual issue.  You just know that it's media noise you're supposed to object to.  Who's ideology do you think you're consuming when you do so?  

Hint, starts with a w, ends in ist.
When this line of thinking reaches a point where it sparks multiple riots in multiple cities and causes people to think they have nothing to lose, that if they don't revolt they're next on some kill list or whatever, then it's an issue.

Quote:Straight to floyd.  Whose song do you think you're marching to, as you extoll what you see as the problems of a nonexistent radical left in the us vis a vis these culture war hot buttons?
 
This assumes that there are only two options when dealing with race issues in the US, agree with everything far left progressives say or adopt the position that whites are better than everyone else.

I reject both and yes it is a valid choice to reject both positions. Actual racists would equally regard me as a useful idiot for the woke side, basically a naive liberal. But there is a third way and it's to just ignore race altogether and treat people fairly on their own merits. I don't think any of this divisive rhetoric on the left helps at all. I hope that 30 years from now this fad will pass and people will look back in shame.


Quote:By the 1600's?  No, we were all pretty well dispersed at that point.  Lowering taxes for the rich would further privilege the exploitative class - and do nothing to either disadvantaged communities or the working white poor.  We know, we've tried. Things don't trickle down. You wanna help people change their circumstances permanently? Give them money. Cash money. Works every time.

Giving money to everyone just dilutes the value of that money. Increasing how much money people have is not going to increase the number of goods and services up for sale.

As someone with a pretty high tax burden in Romania, I am not impressed. Over 50% of my income goes to the government one way or another and the services I get in return are mediocre at best, terrible at worst. And no, don't google the 10% income tax, that's just one of the many taxes you pay. Health is another 10%. Pension is another whopping 25%. VAT is 19% for most things. The public pension system is a complete failure rife with corruption and flagrant inequities, why? I pay the same amount as a cop, judge or politician, but they get to retire early with fat pensions while I don't even get back what I paid into the system adjusted for inflation. Social security is even more of a fraud here than it is in the US. In both cases if you die before your 60's your family gets nothing. People would be better off ditching social security and just investing in the stock market for the long haul. The returns are much better, your kids can inherit the portfolio if you die young and you don't have to burden the government with unsustainable debt.

On top of that, poor people are still poor, I still see homeless people even if it's not as bad as the early 90's and most small towns are plagued by wild dogs and crumbling infrastructure. It is no exaggeration to say that if I'm paying over 50% I at least expect way better.

We have universal healthcare here, but with the quality and quantity offered don't envy us. If you have something serious like cancer, you're better off having it in the US even if you get into debt. At least you're more likely to live. I don't know anyone who has money and relies exclusively on the public sector. If this system works so well, why does private insurance still exist?

But there is another good reason to have small government with low taxes. Having limited resources means it won't be able to enforce pointless, cruel and unjust laws like putting people in cages for weed, gambling or prostitution. It will be busy enough dealing with real crimes.

Quote:The short version is this. If you sound like an episode of tucker, you're a fuckin racist. If you don't want to be, then you're faced with the same essential question that buy in leaners are... what are you gonna do about it?

Treat people fairly and not based on what their skin looks like. I don't need to embrace all these radical theories that by their very nature cannot possibly achieve their stated goal anyway.

EDIT: It's also not enough to claim that something is racist or promotes white supremacism, you have to show it too and this progressive ideology is way too quick to expand the definition of racism to something we don't commonly think of as racist or to look for racism where none exists.

Is black supremacy a problem as well? How about female supremacy or Native American supremacy or do they get a pass just because... reasons?
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Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by T.J. - December 4, 2021 at 7:42 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Jehanne - December 4, 2021 at 8:26 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Fireball - December 4, 2021 at 9:53 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by AFTT47 - December 4, 2021 at 9:23 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by brewer - December 4, 2021 at 9:59 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Foxaèr - December 4, 2021 at 10:09 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by onlinebiker - December 4, 2021 at 11:20 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by T.J. - December 5, 2021 at 7:44 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by brewer - December 5, 2021 at 9:38 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Ahriman - December 5, 2021 at 9:09 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Ravenshire - December 11, 2021 at 5:22 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Brian37 - December 6, 2021 at 12:36 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Ranjr - December 6, 2021 at 1:43 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Jehanne - December 6, 2021 at 10:34 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Fireball - December 6, 2021 at 11:02 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Jehanne - December 6, 2021 at 11:27 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by ToTheMoon - December 7, 2021 at 6:44 am
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by albatross - December 7, 2021 at 9:25 am
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Ahriman - December 7, 2021 at 9:36 am
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Angrboda - December 7, 2021 at 10:02 am
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by albatross - December 7, 2021 at 9:59 am
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by ToTheMoon - December 7, 2021 at 10:28 am
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Angrboda - December 7, 2021 at 10:39 am
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by ToTheMoon - December 7, 2021 at 8:33 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by ToTheMoon - December 8, 2021 at 9:16 am
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RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by ToTheMoon - December 8, 2021 at 4:41 pm
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RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by ToTheMoon - December 8, 2021 at 6:04 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by ToTheMoon - December 9, 2021 at 7:32 am
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RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by ToTheMoon - December 9, 2021 at 9:13 am
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by ToTheMoon - December 9, 2021 at 8:58 am
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by ToTheMoon - December 9, 2021 at 9:44 am
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by ToTheMoon - December 9, 2021 at 10:05 am
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by ToTheMoon - December 9, 2021 at 10:17 am
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by ToTheMoon - December 9, 2021 at 10:59 am
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by ToTheMoon - December 9, 2021 at 11:11 am
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Ahriman - December 9, 2021 at 12:07 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Ahriman - December 9, 2021 at 12:18 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by WinterHold - December 10, 2021 at 8:55 am
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Belacqua - December 10, 2021 at 9:24 am
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Ahriman - December 10, 2021 at 9:43 am
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by WinterHold - December 10, 2021 at 2:02 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Ahriman - December 10, 2021 at 9:23 am
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Ahriman - December 10, 2021 at 9:56 am
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Aegon - December 10, 2021 at 12:37 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by WinterHold - December 10, 2021 at 2:36 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by WinterHold - December 10, 2021 at 3:03 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Spongebob - January 10, 2022 at 4:17 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Spongebob - January 10, 2022 at 1:46 pm
RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins? - by Spongebob - January 10, 2022 at 3:01 pm

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