Can America ever truly pay for its sins?

[ToTheMoon]

Because they do not reflect, and do not come anywhere close to reflecting, any overall economic or social advantage.  They are problems that are, on the whole, not at all real problems. 

White supremacy do not get a pass because it reflects existing and massive overall systemic economic and social inequality.  It is a problem that is actually a huge and very real problem.

The point is nobody should get a pass. If nothing else, black supremacy will just encourage more white supremacy (actual literal definition, not the woke definition) which will encourage more black supremacy and so on and the cycle of stupid never ends. I have spoken to actual racists and they told me part of the reason they are the way they are is because they don't believe self-proclaimed opponents of racism are genuine and that there's no other choice but tribalism. I have no idea how you plan to change their minds using these extremely divisive tactics and double standards.

This is why it's hard to take the woke seriously because if they were really interested in ending racism without any other agenda or ulterior motive attached, they wouldn't care what the racist's skin color was or what his economic status or what horrible atrocity his ancestor suffered 6 generations ago, they'd just want everyone to cut it out and they wouldn't post racially inflammatory articles like "How To End Whiteness" or constantly imply that white people (many of which weren't in the US in the Jim Crow era, let alone the slavery period) bear some collective "sin" they need to "repent" of.

I remember when I got into fights in school, the teacher would break us up and tell us to be nice to each other. She couldn't give a shit which kid had more "privilege" or richer parents or whatever, everyone was expected to behave, no excuses.

Here I was thinking I was talking to a person who just had bad info. Looks a bit worse than that now.

The feeling is mutual just in case you were wondering.

Who thinks they need to revolt in order to avoid being on a kill list, or whatever?

Do you think it's a coincidence that people rioted all across the USA right after the murder of George Floyd?

Obviously, the race obsessed, who believe in white genocide..but they felt that way before anyone invented the crt crisis.

The problem with you is that you refuse to admit that there can be anything other two positions: yours or the position of someone like Richard Spencer.

Yes, there can be.

Don't look at it as fence-sitting either. It's more like active opposition to both of these positions.

Ignoring race altogether is ignoring the animal in our house, eating our lunch. Useful idiot, sure, but not for any woke side.

Favoritism is still discrimination. How can you solve discrimination with more discrimination?

Not to mention that a lot of allegations of discrimination can't even be substantiated or they have other more plausible explanations.

I'm guessing that the only things you know about american progressivism are things you gleaned from whatever white supremacist dipshits you've been getting your info from. Not only is the crt thing completely made up...so is any american far left. It's just a boogeyman, you'e been scared shitless all the way across the world by a phantom invented to make ignorant domestics piss their pants.

Can you tell me what is the exact thought process by which you came to the conclusion that these people are all white supremacists? Can we at least get a list of who you think is such among all the prominent media influencers? I'm going by the plain meaning of the words and how the average person would understand the term: people who believe that white people are better than everyone else (typically using this notion to justify white-only countries, segregation or special rights). I'm not seeing evidence for this.

As for where I get my views, I actually tend to not blindly follow what people tell me. I'll listen to anyone including people I strongly disagree with, but pass things through my own filter. I'll even listen to very fringe figures like actual communists, pro-Sharia theocrats and racists, helps to know your opponents. A lot of the negative views I have about the woke come from reading woke sources or listening to woke commentators. It is not the case that Tucker Carlson told me to think this way, it's more of a case of the woke "incriminate" themselves every time they speak.

There you go with your opinions again. I just told you what actually works when the us does it

Social security in the US is at least half as bad as in Romania as the core principle is the same. You pay a ton of money to the government in the hopes that in 40 years when you probably won't work anymore the government will give you some income until you die. But this is not sustainable, social security has serious deficits, it costs too much (about 12.4% of your income) and it relies on an ever-expanding population which is not going to be around forever as the trend is people having smaller families or no families at all.

You were better off just investing in the S&P500 all this time. Even a combination of investing in multiple actively managed funds (which historically have mostly failed to beat the S&P500) would have achieved better results. It is far better to invest in profitable business ventures for your retirement than to rely on how much taxes the government can get out of young people.

- not whether it was an idea that would fit with your political sensibilities or whatever ludicrous taxation scheme you've got going in Romania. Here in the us, the small government people mean less law enforcement of financial crimes..and more giant government fists all up the uterus. They want more police, and less latinos.

There's a lot of wrong to unpack there, for one thing it doesn't matter how much police you have, it matters that you have enough to control crime, that what counts as a crime is actually a crime (use the non-aggression principle as your guide, victimless crimes shouldn't be crimes at all) and that they're properly trained. The Floyd case could have been avoided if they were better trained to handle a heavily intoxicated suspect. It could have also been avoided if Floyd himself wasn't a complete idiot, again no evidence even after his 22.5 year conviction that Chauvin acted out of racism or that he even bears racist views. None. This is pure speculation by the media and does nothing but foster conflict. It is something a psychopath would do if he wanted to see people fight each other for kicks. Or a foreign state actor intending to weaken the social fabric of a rival country.

I won't dispute the fact that Republicans are usually hypocrites when they say they're for small government, including when it comes to economic issues, not just social issues. That's no reason for independent libertarians as well as libertarian-leaning members of the Republican Party to give up on their goals.

EDIT: I deal with far worse in my country as there is nothing close to a pro-liberty party, they're all economically left-leaning including the "liberal" party. But I'll just stubbornly vote for that sub-1% political party that has no chance of winning out of defiance.

It's plenty enough. I can see you spooling up the hate engine. Nevermind. Fuck you, lost cause.

All I see so far is all talk, no evidence, no proof, and you distort what words mean to push an agenda.

What hate am I promoting? I think people should treat each other fairly, I just reject the notion of guilt over what some ancestor did. Let's face it, almost everyone was terrible even 100 years ago and if they weren't, they simply did not have the opportunity to be terrible. Best you can do is learn from it and move on.

and you appear to want to argue to me that the pillars of white supremacy are true

I reject the pillars of white supremacy if by white supremacy you mean the literal definition of it.

If you mean something else, it is of no interest to me.