(December 8, 2021 at 2:52 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I'm not the arbiter on anything, I'm relaying to you the observations of holstein and miller, going back to the 90s', and since elaborated upon.
You know they can be wrong, right?
(December 8, 2021 at 2:52 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You have explained your position in detail..the problem is that your explanation of your position is entirely fact free..and, instead, revolves around the manufactured issues of explicit american racists.
You're free to explain what is fact free. Is everything fact free? For example, are you saying that there is 0 discrimination against whites for being white in the US? Do you want me to start giving you FBI statistics on hate crimes?
Are you saying that reparations would not amount to a net transfer of wealth from whites to blacks? If not, show me the math. Pick your assumptions on how many people would benefit from this, what they would be paid, I'll quickly show you what the average tax burden would be on every man, woman and child in the US. I know that you probably don't take property rights seriously, but I do.
Are you saying whites are not vilified by the far left? Tell me, how is it possible that you can use racial slurs like the h or c words on PZ Myers' blog without a single person calling it out? Are you saying that America isn't vilified excessively for its past when there's plenty of evidence of other countries being worse around the same period?
(December 8, 2021 at 2:52 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: What are you going to do about that? Argue with me..again, that the explicit american racists have it right, that the shit they say is just a fact? Go ahead?
That's just a lie. When did I say they "have it right". The core of what they believe in (i.e. that blacks shouldn't have equal rights or shouldn't even be in the same country as whites or that whites shouldn't associate with black people) is complete crap.
And if to some degree my views overlap with "American racists" that's just the cost of doing business, following the evidence where it leads. You dig deep enough you're going to find at least one point of view that overlaps with anything, including the woke. After all, not a fan of police brutality, or mass incarceration, or too much social conservatism, or mistreating blacks for being black. Where I disagree on these issues is mainly in the details and tactical stuff. One might mistake me for a social justice warrior in another context. Name me any ideological camp that is absolutely wrong about absolutely everything? It's not a thing, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
(December 8, 2021 at 2:52 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Or...heres a revolutionary idea, just stop pussyfooting around and tell me what is so important to you, as a romanian, in romania, that you make common cause with the rationalizations of american white supremacy? I garauntee that you don't -have- to saddle yourself with white supremacy to make that case..it's just laziness and convenience on your part that you have.
I can't answer loaded questions, but I can sum up why a Romanian would be interested in American politics. This is not as uncommon as it seems.
1. NATO parternship
2. business interests (and it doesn't help that the woke are overwhelmingly critical of capitalism either given their Marxist roots)
3. trends that become popular in America tend to spread elsewhere as well, if America adopts bad ideas, it's probably going to affect the entire world sooner or later
