RE: Can America ever truly pay for its sins?
December 10, 2021 at 5:02 pm
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2021 at 5:04 pm by Oldandeasilyconfused.)
(December 10, 2021 at 3:03 pm)WinterHold Wrote:(December 10, 2021 at 2:39 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You know, theres not a single bible in my house...even though my wife is an evangelical christian. (she doesn't need it..like me, she has most of it committed to memory). There is a beautiful quran...though......gold leaf, I even know the man who pressed it. I was introduced by my then best friend..who I would later execute...for murdering other muslims.
You ask me about these politicians I don't support.....none of them had their finger on my belt felt weapon. That was my finger. Mine. Every man I ever killed or didn't was my own. 'd do it all again, even if your stupid god would send me to hell having killed one of his garbage people.
Always seek the inside; not the outside. A beautiful cover won't benefit you, it's all about realising the text inside.
Quote:Sura 29, The Quran:
https://quran.com/29:49?store=false&translations=
(49) But this ˹Quran˺ is ˹a set of˺ clear revelations ˹preserved˺ in the hearts of those gifted with knowledge. And none denies Our revelations except the ˹stubborn˺ wrongdoers.
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
Back to the topic:
Soldiers usually don't go to battlefields because they believe in a "cause"; especially when the armies you have are like the American army. Whenever the fighting is just "a job", soldiers become inferior killing machines that never work probably without a squad commander or a captain, that's why the U.S army got defeated in Vietnam, then Afghanistan, and it will be defeated again and again because humans are not "machines".
But empires' elites never understand that lesson.
I was posted to a combat battalion soon after it came back from Vietnam. As a medic I got to meet most of them. Made a point of asking the why they fought. The answer was always the same; to protect themselves and their mates, to not let their mates down. Never heard any idealistic claims. Few had anything but contempt for the Vietnamese.
America lost because unlike Vietnam, the US had a limit to the number of dead soldiers it would accept. Generals Giap and Hoang did not. This was a war of attrition , which the Americans did not understand.
The US lists 58,220 fatalities. No civilian casualties of which I'm aware;
According to the Vietnamese government, there were 1,100,000 North Vietnamese Army and Viet Cong military personnel deaths during the Vietnam War (including the missing). Rummel reviewed the many casualty data sets, and this number is in keeping with his mid-level estimate of 1,011,000 North Vietnamese combatant deaths.
Civilian deaths in the Vietnam War
- It is estimated that 40,000 South Vietnamese civilians were assassinated by the People’s Army of Vietnam /Viet Cong
- 250,000 were killed as a result of combat in South Vietnam and 65,000 were killed in North Vietnam.
- Another 222,000 civilians were counted as military deaths by the U.S. in compiling its “body count.”
Finally, the ideological reason Americans were in Vietnam was for a political reason, the so called domino theory. IE That if South Vietnam fell to the communists, so too would the rest of SE Asia. Australia sent a token number of troops to legitimise the America presence. We still had over 300 blokes killed. One was too many, same for the US, imo
The allied grunts on the ground were mushrooms; kept in the dark and fed bullshit. I never met one vet who believed that crap. Met one Gung Ho officer. He had survived Vietnam. I was told he was lucky he was not fragged (Fragging happened in Aussie battalions but seems to have been rare)
The Vietnamese were fighting invaders and to unify North and South Vietnam. It is sometimes overlooked that President Nguyen was a dictator and his regime corrupt.