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Is zero a natural number?
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RE: Is zero a natural number?
In set theory, the natural numbers are defined as the smallest set N such that

1. the empty set is an element of N
2. Whenever x is an element of N, so is xu{x} (the union). The set xu{x} is called the successor of x.

Then, 0 is defined to be the empty set, 1 is the successor of 0, 2 is the successor of 1, etc.

So, at the most fundamental level, it makes sense to have 0 be a natural number.

In computer science, it is common to index into a collection of data point using what is known as an 'offset'. When this is done, the
first element of the data set has an offset of 0. So, it is convenient for computer scientists to start counting at 0.

In any algebraic system, identity elements are important. So, 0 is an additive identity, meaning that x+0=x=0+x for all x. It is usually desired that number systems have such identity elements (so, 1 is an identity element for multiplication: x*1=x=1*x). So it is convenient to have 0 be a natural number when studying the algebraic properties of the set of natural numbers.

That said, most other areas of math start indexing with 1. So, we generally (but not always) see sequences and series start with an index of 1 and not 0. For this reason, most areas of math have 0 NOT a natural number.

The upshot is that it is purely a convention. Pick one or the other, let your reader know which you are using, and continue about your business.
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Is zero a natural number? - by Jehanne - January 18, 2022 at 6:35 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by The Valkyrie - January 18, 2022 at 6:43 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 18, 2022 at 7:05 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by GrandizerII - January 18, 2022 at 7:34 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Jehanne - January 18, 2022 at 7:37 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Carl Hickey - June 5, 2023 at 1:19 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by zebo-the-fat - January 18, 2022 at 7:59 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Jehanne - January 18, 2022 at 8:04 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by LinuxGal - November 5, 2022 at 6:31 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Anomalocaris - November 5, 2022 at 6:42 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Jehanne - November 5, 2022 at 7:51 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by GrandizerII - January 18, 2022 at 10:14 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by brewer - January 18, 2022 at 9:05 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Ranjr - January 18, 2022 at 10:40 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 18, 2022 at 11:00 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by purplepurpose - January 18, 2022 at 10:47 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Angrboda - January 18, 2022 at 10:57 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by no one - January 18, 2022 at 11:11 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Jehanne - January 18, 2022 at 12:04 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by polymath257 - January 18, 2022 at 1:30 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Carl Hickey - May 21, 2023 at 12:46 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by arewethereyet - May 21, 2023 at 12:53 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Ranjr - January 18, 2022 at 1:56 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by no one - January 18, 2022 at 2:35 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by brewer - January 18, 2022 at 5:45 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by polymath257 - January 18, 2022 at 8:12 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by brewer - January 18, 2022 at 9:17 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Fireball - January 18, 2022 at 9:40 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by polymath257 - January 18, 2022 at 10:33 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by brewer - January 19, 2022 at 8:08 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Jehanne - January 19, 2022 at 10:25 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by polymath257 - January 19, 2022 at 10:44 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by GrandizerII - January 18, 2022 at 11:00 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Neo-Scholastic - January 18, 2022 at 9:34 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Jehanne - January 18, 2022 at 9:55 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Neo-Scholastic - January 18, 2022 at 10:56 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Jehanne - January 18, 2022 at 11:02 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by The Architect Of Fate - January 18, 2022 at 10:57 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Neo-Scholastic - January 19, 2022 at 12:53 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Jehanne - January 19, 2022 at 5:58 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by ignoramus - January 19, 2022 at 2:02 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by The Architect Of Fate - January 19, 2022 at 2:33 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by brewer - January 19, 2022 at 11:33 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Ranjr - January 19, 2022 at 12:18 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Jehanne - January 19, 2022 at 7:55 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by polymath257 - January 19, 2022 at 8:02 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Ranjr - January 20, 2022 at 1:16 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by The Grand Nudger - January 20, 2022 at 1:44 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Carneades - August 9, 2022 at 7:34 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Jehanne - August 9, 2022 at 7:56 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by polymath257 - August 10, 2022 at 8:59 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Jehanne - August 10, 2022 at 10:22 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by polymath257 - August 10, 2022 at 1:33 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Jehanne - August 10, 2022 at 2:37 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by h311inac311 - August 25, 2022 at 6:25 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Jehanne - August 25, 2022 at 7:07 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Ranjr - August 25, 2022 at 11:37 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Anomalocaris - November 5, 2022 at 9:06 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by LinuxGal - November 5, 2022 at 9:16 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Jehanne - November 5, 2022 at 10:02 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by itsmeavi_ - November 9, 2022 at 6:29 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by polymath257 - November 9, 2022 at 10:59 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by LinuxGal - November 27, 2022 at 11:12 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Jehanne - November 9, 2022 at 1:14 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by polymath257 - November 9, 2022 at 1:22 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Carl Hickey - May 20, 2023 at 3:57 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Jack8 - November 19, 2022 at 5:06 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by rocinantexyz - November 27, 2022 at 6:35 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by UniversesBoss - November 26, 2022 at 1:32 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Jehanne - November 27, 2022 at 12:16 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Angrboda - November 27, 2022 at 11:30 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Carl Hickey - May 20, 2023 at 2:11 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Carl Hickey - May 20, 2023 at 4:21 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Carl Hickey - May 20, 2023 at 6:54 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by A. Secular Human - May 20, 2023 at 3:44 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Carl Hickey - June 5, 2023 at 3:29 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by no one - June 5, 2023 at 3:39 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by SirLuck - June 18, 2023 at 7:42 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by brewer - June 18, 2023 at 6:11 pm
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Carl Hickey - July 16, 2023 at 3:20 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Carl Hickey - July 16, 2023 at 3:47 am
RE: Is zero a natural number? - by Angrboda - July 16, 2023 at 7:29 am

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