(May 4, 2022 at 6:34 pm)h311inac311 Wrote:(May 4, 2022 at 4:54 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Would you choose not to protect a man from someone who took his possessions, his health, and killed his family? That's not even the problem of suffering, that's active complicity.
Assault in progress, what do you do?
I study self-defense for this purpose, I would like to be able to stop an assault in progress and help protect innocent lives if I can.
Of course I don't treat the creator the same way that I would treat a man or an animal. So I wouldn't try to fight YHWH if he were attacking an innocent person, but I would at the least pray about it and be curios as to why he would do such a thing.
Is it possible that an omnipotent being can come to conclusions which are alien to our own understanding?
It seems that most people here are more upset with God than Job is despite only reading of his suffering but having never experienced exactly what he went through.
I knew this would be a difficult topic when I started it, and so far I am not disappointed by the response I've gotten. Ultimately you either trust God to do what he will with his creation or you don't, but I believe that an eternal reward is what makes all of this suffering truly worthwhile. Even if we lived in a fair world where the righteous prosper and those who do evil always get punished; what would any of our labor amount to if our destiny is dust? Our physical bodies are destined to return to this Earth at some point and nothing we build, save or work for is ever guaranteed to last forever.
What amount of pain is worth eternal paradise? What perishing thing can I lose or gain that would deter me from pursuing that which can never perish?
(I know most of you are atheists so please just take the last two questions as hypotheticals.)
A question for you, what level of evil deserves eternal punishment? To my mind honest disbelief, which is no evil, deserves none. Yet your "holy" "book" insists on eternal torture.
How can you justify such monstrous evil?
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