(June 13, 2011 at 8:41 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: You claimed there was no evidence in Matthew or Mark supporting the Trinity, so I gave you an example and you reply by saying "seriously?" ? That's it?
Yes, because the example you provided does nothing of the kind. Do you want to try again or do you care to explain why that verse suggests that Jesus is one with Yahweh?
Quote:1. There is nothing even close to a consensus as to exactly what order the books of the NT were written in.I've never heard of any controversy regarding the order of authorship and I'm going by Christian apologist assertions.
Quote:2. The teaching of Jesus' resurrection is so foreign to the Jewish concept of death that it can hardly be called an appeal to antiquity. Rather it was a radical concept.Point flew over your head.
At Nicaea, Marcionism was a major contender but it failed only because it had no appeal to antiquity. It was a new religion. Christianity needed the OT to gain the legitimacy that the Romans felt antiquity provided.
Quote:3. Your assertions about the disciples’ motives are nothing but pure speculation.Actually, the motives of those at Nicaea and prior to it are documented. Do a little digging and you may find there was no "original church" that Protestants like to dream about but many different Christianities.
Quote:4. Galaxy Quest references aside, there is nothing wrong with using scripture to uphold scripture. In fact, many historians agree that people witnessed Christ after his death. So you may not accept this evidence but don't claim it does not exist.
Mythology is not evidence. If the whole world said otherwise, it would not make it so. Christians agree when we're discussing the claims of other religions. The Iliad is not held up as historical documentation on the existence of Zeus.
I wouldn't be surprised if most of the "historians" you claim accept mythology as "evidence" are Christian apologists.
Personally, I hope one day we live in a truly rational society where anyone seriously holding up the Bible as reliable eye-witness accounts or historical documentation is simply laughed out of the room with no time wasted on discussion.
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
