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Christians
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RE: Christians
(June 18, 2011 at 3:42 pm)Ryft Wrote: You begin by getting trinitarianism right, but then end by getting it wrong. That is rather curious.

How do you know I got it wrong? Nobody really understands it.

bold emphasis of your post mine:
Quote:If God is in three separate persons, as trinitarianism teaches, then Jesus cannot be a separate being from Yahweh;

So three separate persons can't be separate from each other? Jesus is a separate person from Yahweh but can't be separate? I'm so glad you cleared that up.

Quote:He was praying to the Father who is God no more or less than Jesus himself is; that is, he was praying to a distinct person, not a distinct god.

So he's a distinct being with a different will but part of the same god and therefore the same being but they're separate and distinct but not?

Quote:All of Paul's letters predate both the synoptics and John's gospel, as do other letters in the New Testament, all of which correspond to the rich Christology and soteriology found in John's gospel (e.g., Titus 2:13).

Roughly half the epistles of Paul are of dubious authenticity. Titus is one of the dubious epistles.

Quote:That the scriptures, ancient creeds, liturgies, systematics and so forth all confirm that orthodox Christianity has never taught three separate gods.
There was no orthodox Christianity prior to Nicaea. The Marcionites taught there were two separate gods. The Ebionites taught that Jesus was a mortal adopted by God as a son. The Arians taught that Jesus was an angel. Any of these options were at least consistent and clear about what Jesus was.
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
...      -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
...       -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
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Christians - by 5thHorseman - June 7, 2011 at 2:12 pm
RE: Christians - by Violet - June 7, 2011 at 2:39 pm
RE: Christians - by frankiej - June 7, 2011 at 3:41 pm
RE: Christians - by Nitsuj - June 7, 2011 at 5:50 pm
RE: Christians - by Statler Waldorf - June 7, 2011 at 7:24 pm
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RE: Christians - by aidoism - June 8, 2011 at 10:17 pm
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RE: Christians - by reverendjeremiah - June 7, 2011 at 8:24 pm
RE: Christians - by Minimalist - June 8, 2011 at 1:25 am
RE: Christians - by 5thHorseman - June 8, 2011 at 2:08 am
RE: Christians - by Statler Waldorf - June 8, 2011 at 2:32 am
RE: Christians - by Zenith - June 23, 2011 at 6:42 pm
RE: Christians - by Anymouse - June 23, 2011 at 7:55 pm
RE: Christians - by Statler Waldorf - June 8, 2011 at 3:43 am
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RE: Christians - by Statler Waldorf - June 9, 2011 at 6:38 pm
RE: Christians - by Anymouse - June 9, 2011 at 7:31 pm
RE: Christians - by Statler Waldorf - June 9, 2011 at 7:43 pm
RE: Christians - by Ryft - June 12, 2011 at 9:06 pm
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RE: Christians - by frankiej - June 13, 2011 at 12:35 pm
RE: Christians - by Statler Waldorf - June 13, 2011 at 2:01 pm
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RE: Christians - by Epimethean - June 14, 2011 at 8:53 pm
RE: Christians - by Ryft - June 17, 2011 at 2:36 am
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RE: Christians - by Godschild - June 19, 2011 at 3:03 am
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RE: Christians - by downbeatplumb - June 19, 2011 at 9:17 am
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RE: Christians - by Godschild - June 20, 2011 at 2:29 am
RE: Christians - by DeistPaladin - June 19, 2011 at 11:35 am
RE: Christians - by Darth - June 17, 2011 at 3:17 am
RE: Christians - by Ryft - June 17, 2011 at 9:56 am
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RE: Christians - by Epimethean - June 17, 2011 at 9:06 am
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RE: Christians - by Faith No More - June 17, 2011 at 10:05 am
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RE: Christians - by Ryft - June 17, 2011 at 10:40 pm
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RE: Christians - by Darth - June 18, 2011 at 3:02 am
RE: Christians - by Epimethean - June 17, 2011 at 10:50 pm
RE: Christians - by Ryft - June 18, 2011 at 3:42 pm
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RE: Christians - by DeistPaladin - June 18, 2011 at 10:42 pm
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RE: Christians - by Minimalist - June 18, 2011 at 6:58 pm
RE: Christians - by 5thHorseman - June 19, 2011 at 4:13 am
RE: Christians - by Godschild - June 20, 2011 at 12:33 am
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RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - June 19, 2011 at 10:30 am
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RE: Christians - by reverendjeremiah - June 20, 2011 at 5:18 pm
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RE: Christians - by Napoléon - June 22, 2011 at 5:14 pm
RE: Christians - by Cinjin - June 22, 2011 at 9:42 pm
RE: Christians - by Epimethean - June 21, 2011 at 4:43 pm
RE: Christians - by Napoléon - June 21, 2011 at 5:01 pm
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RE: Christians - by reverendjeremiah - June 23, 2011 at 5:16 pm
RE: Christians - by Napoléon - June 23, 2011 at 5:19 pm
RE: Christians - by 5thHorseman - June 23, 2011 at 5:21 pm
RE: Christians - by Minimalist - June 23, 2011 at 6:05 pm
RE: Christians - by Darth - June 24, 2011 at 6:42 am

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