(November 30, 2011 at 9:17 am)chadster1976 Wrote: The "Protestant" Bible? Protestant must mean after Martin Luther which would make it very much a revisionist piece.... or the term could be worthless! Ask just about any Christian in Belfast what they are and your response will certainly be "protestant" or "catholic".I did not intend to criticize, just showing the popular opinion of the Christians in my neighborhood, sorry if it offended. I didn't say Catholics treated the saints and Mary over Jesus, but I don't pray to my dead Grandmothers or Moses or Abraham, I pray to God or Jesus. If you reread what I wrote I said "as opposed to strictly Jesus." which is the Catholic view as I understand it. I know they believe we can still petition the dead on our behalf, and are into confession. Those I feel are opposed to Jesus work in clearing the veil between the individual and God. Not to criticize as Catholicism has contributed to a lot of things.As a non-denominational I prefer to look at what draws us together and our similarities rather than pointing out our differences, but in this case I felt it necessary to clarify doctrinal differences. Thanks for accentuating my point, in that there are Catholics, then there are Protestants, hence the different Bible, dogma and perspective.
You certainly have misunderstood catholicism if you think it is about worshipping saints and Mary instead of Christ. You should be using their lives as examples and use their experiences to get closer to Christ, not to replace him.
Jesus spoke of forgiveness, atonement, enlightenment. I think his dad may have held similar opinions.
(November 30, 2011 at 9:42 am)Rhythm Wrote: Statistics don't seem to agree with your view on what the majority of christians believe about hell, or who is or is not a christian. Just repeating myself here since you felt the need to repeat yourself. Whether or not catholics all believe in their dogma word for word could be argued, but as it stands I'll go ahead and take them at their word, that they believe in the teachings of cathol(lulz) as they claim. Why, btw, does it seem to be so important for non-catholic christians to criticize the christianity or beliefs of catholics when their own faith derives every bit of it's authenticity from the myths that the catholics kept, refined, and handed down through time? Each of you is massively in their debt.
Since you're just restating opinion without any statistics, I figure one of us should at least do the legwork. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_poll3.htm#salv clearly shows that some of my beliefs are in the minority like I don't believe Good works can earn a place in Heaven (probably do to the inordinate amount of Catholics polled). I believe person's religious belief will matter. I don't believe one must believe in God in order to be moral. All of those but me in the minority view. However, Hell is a place where people are tormented 31% by Americans, means you can't substantiate your claim that the majority believe Hell is a place of torment. I don't think modern Christianity derives much, if any, of it's authenticity from catholic mythos. I'll stick with Judaism as a better foundation, but we're diverging again from the point.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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