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Why Your God?
#11
RE: Why Your God?
I think we need to create a "disingenuous" buzzer for Kyu to use whenever fr0d0 dodges the question and makes some excuse for it.
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#12
RE: Why Your God?
(April 27, 2009 at 11:14 am)Tiberius Wrote: I think we need to create a "disingenuous" buzzer for Kyu to use whenever fr0d0 dodges the question and makes some excuse for it.

Ooooh! Shiny!!!!

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#13
RE: Why Your God?
I think gods are an invention of the mind. The only diffrence between my view and yours is that I think that invention has taken on a life of its own. Once belived in, a thing becomes real in some shape or form. The more belife, the more powerful the entity.
However, I think there is a source from which we all spring. That is the true god. The one pre-dating the invented gods. It is debatable if that source god is the Christian god or not, or even if that source god has a conciousness.
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#14
RE: Why Your God?
(April 27, 2009 at 12:27 pm)dagda Wrote: I think gods are an invention of the mind. The only diffrence between my view and yours is that I think that invention has taken on a life of its own. Once belived in, a thing becomes real in some shape or form. The more belife, the more powerful the entity.
However, I think there is a source from which we all spring. That is the true god. The one pre-dating the invented gods. It is debatable if that source god is the Christian god or not, or even if that source god has a conciousness.

OK, Thanks

What I don't get, given a view like that, is why you seem to be a Christian?

Kyu
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#15
RE: Why Your God?
Quote:I think gods are an invention of the mind. The only diffrence between my view and yours is that I think that invention has taken on a life of its own. Once belived in, a thing becomes real in some shape or form. The more belife, the more powerful the entity.
However, I think there is a source from which we all spring. That is the true god. The one pre-dating the invented gods. It is debatable if that source god is the Christian god or not, or even if that source god has a conciousness.

A true god? What support such a claim that any god would exist? All theist or nayone who beliefs in supernatural haven't any evidence to support it or provide with a theory why a god could exist. Otherwise is that also just an imaginiation and that is also a creation of mind. That a god exist is as likely as the Matrix is real.
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#16
RE: Why Your God?
(April 27, 2009 at 4:45 am)allan175 Wrote:
(April 26, 2009 at 6:16 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Personally I've considered all that I've come across and only conclude mine to be reasonable. So no, I wouldn't be able to say that all are potentially reasonable.

Howzat?
Well, it still isn't answering the question. The question is "Why your god?", you've basically just said "because I think my belief is right". You haven't given any reason for your stance at all. You have said you have answered it before but I don't remember reading one.

And, before you say I haven't either, my (and I guess Kyuuketsuki's) reason is "There is no evidence for *any* gods at all."

You talk such bollocks. Show me the exact quote then.

I said 'because I reasoned it out'. That's all you're gonna get I'm afraid. Learn to be happy with it. If you wanna know the detail then I'm talking about that all the time. I'm certainly not gonna waste my time with inane questioning here, when the simple question has been answered.

I'm not going to go into the finite detail because that would be pointless. From my POV the question is answered. I know your fukkin answer - who the fuk doesn't. Why don't you believe? What's you're every tiny justification leading you to that POV ...yeah I thought so.

(April 27, 2009 at 8:12 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Exactly so but then Frodo hides behind disingenuous whenever it suits himself to do so ... his referring to me as the same is just another dodge IMO.

Laughing my fukkin ass off here Kyu. You look like you're hiding behind your mummy's apron. DEAL WITH YOU OWN POINTS AND STOP FUKKIN HIDING BEHIND OTHER PEOPLES!

(April 27, 2009 at 9:26 am)Ace Wrote: Fr0d0 seem to have evaded your question 3 times.

I was hoping to see him answer that question. Big Grin

Bollocks. See above.

(April 27, 2009 at 10:03 am)Giff Wrote: 1. Any gods or god doesn't exists since they are just an invention of mind.

2. Also some religious people that want to protect their faith often come up with things like that their God is undefinible, that it's life, not an object and are a big mystery and unknown.

2b. Even though they say God can't define do they still have a defintion that he is undefinble. Even so how can they believe in god that they personally self say can't be heared, seen, felt, known, and that God is undefinble, a mystery, and not nessesarily have to be the truth? Some sya that you can't own the truth meaning that no one is right and no one is wrong including their own belief. The reason why they are christians is because they think it suits them. But still even though they say that they are not right (not wrong either) do they think God exists- which is very abstract.

3. Don't know if you share that belief Fr0d0 wonder if you could answer it anyway, perhaps?

1. That's not provable
2. God is very accurately defined
2b. Is therefore bollocks
3. Christians have a very accurate idea of what God is, and can rationally justify why they might take the step of faith to belief rather than acceptance. You may not understand it, but then to you rationally you see most justification for not believing, also a philosophical opinion.

(April 27, 2009 at 11:14 am)Tiberius Wrote: I think we need to create a "disingenuous" buzzer for Kyu to use whenever fr0d0 dodges the question and makes some excuse for it.

One that whines in a girly voice "disingeuous" presumably?

(April 27, 2009 at 12:36 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:
(April 27, 2009 at 12:27 pm)dagda Wrote: I think gods are an invention of the mind. The only diffrence between my view and yours is that I think that invention has taken on a life of its own. Once belived in, a thing becomes real in some shape or form. The more belife, the more powerful the entity.
However, I think there is a source from which we all spring. That is the true god. The one pre-dating the invented gods. It is debatable if that source god is the Christian god or not, or even if that source god has a conciousness.

OK, Thanks

What I don't get, given a view like that, is why you seem to be a Christian?

LMFAO again Smile Every fukker's a Christian according to Kyu.
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#17
RE: Why Your God?
(April 27, 2009 at 1:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(April 27, 2009 at 4:45 am)allan175 Wrote: Well, it still isn't answering the question. The question is "Why your god?", you've basically just said "because I think my belief is right". You haven't given any reason for your stance at all. You have said you have answered it before but I don't remember reading one.

And, before you say I haven't either, my (and I guess Kyuuketsuki's) reason is "There is no evidence for *any* gods at all."

You talk such bollocks. Show me the exact quote then.

He paraphrased, he didn't say it was a quote.

(April 27, 2009 at 1:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I said 'because I reasoned it out'. That's all you're gonna get I'm afraid. Learn to be happy with it. If you wanna know the detail then I'm talking about that all the time. I'm certainly not gonna waste my time with inane questioning here, when the simple question has been answered.

Which broadly speaking equates to, "because I think my belief is right" and especially so because you won't explain the reasoning process which got you there.

(April 27, 2009 at 1:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I'm not going to go into the finite detail because that would be pointless. From my POV the question is answered. I know your fukkin answer - who the fuk doesn't. Why don't you believe? What's you're every tiny justification leading you to that POV ...yeah I thought so.

I strongly suspect Allan could do so as I have done on my blog.

(April 27, 2009 at 1:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(April 27, 2009 at 8:12 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Exactly so but then Frodo hides behind disingenuous whenever it suits himself to do so ... his referring to me as the same is just another dodge IMO.

Laughing my fukkin ass off here Kyu. You look like you're hiding behind your mummy's apron. DEAL WITH YOU OWN POINTS AND STOP FUKKIN HIDING BEHIND OTHER PEOPLES!

You know I'm seriously wondering if I should put my moderator hat on and smack you down for that second sentence.

All I can do Frodo is stand back in awe at your hypocrisy on this ... if I am doing what you say I am (and I concede I might be) you are doing so far, far worse.

(April 27, 2009 at 1:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(April 27, 2009 at 9:26 am)Ace Wrote: Fr0d0 seem to have evaded your question 3 times.

I was hoping to see him answer that question. Big Grin

Bollocks. See above.

Bollocks! See Above!

(April 27, 2009 at 1:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(April 27, 2009 at 10:03 am)Giff Wrote: 1. Any gods or god doesn't exists since they are just an invention of mind.

2. Also some religious people that want to protect their faith often come up with things like that their God is undefinible, that it's life, not an object and are a big mystery and unknown.

2b. Even though they say God can't define do they still have a defintion that he is undefinble. Even so how can they believe in god that they personally self say can't be heared, seen, felt, known, and that God is undefinble, a mystery, and not nessesarily have to be the truth? Some sya that you can't own the truth meaning that no one is right and no one is wrong including their own belief. The reason why they are christians is because they think it suits them. But still even though they say that they are not right (not wrong either) do they think God exists- which is very abstract.

3. Don't know if you share that belief Fr0d0 wonder if you could answer it anyway, perhaps?

1. That's not provable AGREED (at present ...)
2. God is very accurately defined Which of the many hundreds of definitions for god that I (alone have heard are you referring to about (please post it)?

2b. Is therefore bollocks No comment as I didn't understand what Giff said
3. Christians have a very accurate idea of what God is, and can rationally justify why they might take the step of faith to belief rather than acceptance. You may not understand it, but then to you rationally you see most justification for not believing, also a philosophical opinion. See 2

Answers in BLUE above.

(April 27, 2009 at 1:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(April 27, 2009 at 11:14 am)Tiberius Wrote: I think we need to create a "disingenuous" buzzer for Kyu to use whenever fr0d0 dodges the question and makes some excuse for it.

One that whines in a girly voice "disingeuous" presumably?

You and your constant evasion is getting very, very irritating.

(April 27, 2009 at 1:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(April 27, 2009 at 12:36 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: What I don't get, given a view like that, is why you seem to be a Christian?

LMFAO again Smile Every fukker's a Christian according to Kyu.

Listen up, I said that and I said it cautiously because I am fairly sure that Dagda has put some fairly clear emphasis on Christianity so why don't you shut up for a moment and let him answer? It's possible we BOTH might learn something.

Kyu
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#18
RE: Why Your God?
All of which Kyu.. let's you off discussing the actual points. Nice.

Your blog is vague to the extreme when talking actual reasoning. Yeah we have the psychological damage type stuff but no actual real reasoning. Just the usual rhetoric to support the premise.
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#19
RE: Why Your God?
(April 27, 2009 at 4:40 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: All of which Kyu.. let's you off discussing the actual points. Nice.

No, it doesn't and I answered EVERY SINGLE FUCKING POINT MADE and only answered in any way "poorly" when it was a direct response to you doing so first.

(April 27, 2009 at 4:40 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Your blog is vague to the extreme when talking actual reasoning. Yeah we have the psychological damage type stuff but no actual real reasoning. Just the usual rhetoric to support the premise.

The article I referred to described what led me to atheism and says very specifically why I could no longer be a believer so, yet again, you show your true disingenuous colours.

Kyu
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#20
RE: Why Your God?
Quote:1. That's not provable AGREED (at present ...)
2. God is very accurately defined Which of the many hundreds of definitions for god that I (alone have heard are you referring to about (please post it)?

2b. Is therefore bollocks No comment as I didn't understand what Giff said
3. Christians have a very accurate idea of what God is, and can rationally justify why they might take the step of faith to belief rather than acceptance. You may not understand it, but then to you rationally you see most justification for not believing, also a philosophical opinion. See 2

In will try to explain what I meant.

1. What I meant was: Just because someone make something up just out of the blue without anything to support it doesn't say that such thing is possible. Is like saying Matrix is real or that Shwazingwa is true because it just is.

2b. That it's hard to understand is nothing that suprised me, since I personally don't know what they really mean with what they are saying. But as I priest here in Sweden told me when he explianed about God and religion is following:

God= Life. Is not an object and is undefinble. Is also something that we all have to be humble about and have to accept that there are a mystery that we will never understand. Confusing but that pretty much is what he said.

Religion= Everything and everyone. He said everyone is religious. Also that we shouldn't live by defintions. That's why he say everyone is religious as long as they have some sort of philosophy about life. Very strange I know.

But that that what he explained.

So the answers on 2 and 3 is that a lot of christians have a certain definition of their god.
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