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RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for.
February 16, 2012 at 11:43 am
(This post was last modified: February 16, 2012 at 11:44 am by JollyForr.)
I think her reddit post was just a gross over-reaction to actions she misunderstood. There's a difference between a true rapist and sincere rape threats, to innocuous jokes that aren't meant to cause any harm, and are intended to be humorous; and she, I think, thinks that they are true threats of rape, which don't acknowledge the fact that they are just comments for the sake of humour which don't involve any malicious intentions.
You could say that you shouldn't say it then, because people might take it the wrong way by not recognizing that they aren't rape threats, but are merely attracted towards her. But then people who do understand it, will know it's a harmless joke, which was intentionally meant to be humorous.
She looks upon them as true threats of rape, and I know for certain that not every girl would react in the manner she did. I see this sort of thing all the time, and no-one takes it this seriously. But PZ Myers and most of them on Pharyngula do admit to this view.
I think Watson needs to start seriously listening to Holmes, to clear the shit from the fan. And there seems to be tonnes of shit on Watson's fan.
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February 16, 2012 at 11:48 am
No, she looks upon them as ways men denigrate the female sex, because no woman says those things about men and therefore men never have to worry about assault or rape.
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February 16, 2012 at 12:06 pm
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February 16, 2012 at 12:22 pm
The question then arises, why on Earth would you call a book "The God Delusion" and bring up science? Science has nothing to do with the question of whether God exists; that is a philosophical question.
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February 16, 2012 at 1:58 pm
(This post was last modified: February 16, 2012 at 2:07 pm by Tempus.)
I'm glad to see this kind of thread rather than the mindless praising of high profile atheists simply because they're "one of us". I used to greatly respect the opinions of Dawkins, Hitchens, etc, which I no longer do when it comes to matters of philosophy or theology. The reason I used to respect their opinions was because I knew nothing about religion or philosophy at the time. Dawkin's view on agnosticism (at the time of The God Delusion), for example, was extremely flawed. This doesn't invalidate his other points of course - each point should stand on its own merits. The thing is this was a BIG chapter one error. Definition of terms should be cleared up before you even -start- writing. A lot of atheists fail to dig deeper than Dawkins or Hitchens and thus end up perpetuating the same mistakes they made. Don't get me wrong - I like the guys, but they're not who you go to when you want to learn about philosophy or religion.
The people that really helped me to inform myself were the atheist Youtube community. After a lot of reading and listening I found the best users on Youtube (regarding skepticism, reason, etc) to be: TheraminTrees, QualiaSoup and Evid3nc3. All three have very lucid and accessible videos. Also, TrustingDoubt recently did an interesting series titled "God's Emotions" which I would recommend - despite realising how absurd the Christian god was for a long time I'd never thought of her observations before. ContraPoints is another cool user although his videos often don't relate specifically to religion.
Popular atheist channels on Youtube I'm no longer fond of are Thunderf00t, Pat Condell and TheAmazingAtheist.
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February 16, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Tempus, I do like TheAmazingAtheist - I think his videos are great, but I have gone off Thunderf00t and I've never really watched Pat Condell.
I've gotta say though that it was Thunderf00t who actually made me come off the fence, with his creationist videos.
You should try Coughlan616, he is quite hilarious. You know, the guy Thunderf00t diagnosed online as mentally unstable.
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February 16, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Coughlan is brilliant.
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February 16, 2012 at 3:23 pm
(This post was last modified: February 16, 2012 at 3:25 pm by Tempus.)
(February 16, 2012 at 2:27 pm)JollyForr Wrote: Tempus, I do like TheAmazingAtheist - I think his videos are great, but I have gone off Thunderf00t and I've never really watched Pat Condell.
I've gotta say though that it was Thunderf00t who actually made me come off the fence, with his creationist videos.
You should try Coughlan616, he is quite hilarious. You know, the guy Thunderf00t diagnosed online as mentally unstable.
I'm familiar with Coughlan616, I'm subbed to him. Part of the reason I stopped watching TheAmazingAtheist recently was because of the rape related comments he made on Reddit. I won't pretend I'm morally outraged by them because I'm not, however, it was a very stupid thing to say. I realise he acknowledged this, but it's just not some slip of the tongue easily made. I mean, I fail to see how anyone moderately intelligent could get into a debate (or a fight, rather) on the internet and become so uncontrollably angry that they lose it and say something as ridiculous as he said. Not to mention that his videos tend to be just as much about insulting his opponents as responding to their arguments. Again, I'm certainly not offended by this and I'm not saying it isn't sometimes funny, but I really just have better sources of comedy (Peep Show at the moment  ) and logical arguments than him.
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February 16, 2012 at 4:46 pm
(February 16, 2012 at 1:58 pm)Tempus Wrote: Dawkin's view on agnosticism (at the time of The God Delusion), for example, was extremely flawed.
As was his definition of deism.
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RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for.
February 16, 2012 at 4:51 pm
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