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[Giff]

Strange thing about Israel. Those who went there where trying to get away from the extreme right and antisemetics. But now are they self being on the same extreme right side.

[g-mark]

I will agree with Giff. They have become what they fear and hate.

[lilphil1989]

So who is finally the racist against whom?

Jews are a religious group, not a race.
I don't see how claims of racism are relevant.
Not that anti-semitism isn't a horrid thing, but it isn't racism.

The way I see the conflict, Israel effectively illegally invaded the lands beyond what was given to them in the armistice agreement (1949).
However, I think now, even if Israel were to shrink to the size designated in the agreement, the conflict would not stop. The problem is now one of religious intolerance, not border disputes (IMO)
If this conflict were not effectively between two opposing religious groups, do you think it would have been resolved long before now?

[g-mark]

Are you sure about that?

[lilphil1989]

Are you sure about that?

About what?
I said several things in my post.

[Giff]

Jews are a religious group, not a race.
I don't see how claims of racism are relevant.
Not that anti-semitism isn't a horrid thing, but it isn't racism.

Acctually, atleast in swedish, does racism also include religious, ethnical and cultural groups. It's racist for an example to say for an example you hate danish just because there are danish and all they are doing is eating pölse.

The way I see the conflict, Israel effectively illegally invaded the lands beyond what was given to them in the armistice agreement (1949).
However, I think now, even if Israel were to shrink to the size designated in the agreement, the conflict would not stop. The problem is now one of religious intolerance, not border disputes (IMO)
If this conflict were not effectively between two opposing religious groups, do you think it would have been resolved long before now?

It's both border disputes and religious. But they are both connected. some palestines hate jews because they associtate those with that religion with israel and some israels hate muslims becuase they associate those with that religion with palestine.

[lilphil1989]

,does racism also include religious, ethnical and cultural groups. It's racist for an example to say for an example you hate danish just because there are danish and all they are doing is eating pölse.

It'a anti-danish discrimination, but not racist I would say.

It's both border disputes and religious. But they are both connected. some palestines hate jews because they associtate those with that religion with israel and some israels hate muslims becuase they associate those with that religion with palestine.

Agreed, but I think if there was no religious element, there's a greater likelihood that it would have been resolved already

[Giff]

It'a anti-danish discrimination, but not racist I would say.

Yes, but the definition of racism in Sweden is more abstract then it maybe is in english. It involves more then just ethnic groups.

[g-mark]

Where is the question mark.

If this conflict were not effectively between two opposing religious groups, do you think it would have been resolved long before now?

Religion is not the only thing people fight over. Land, power, food, water, control, and Race are but a few.

[Tiberius]

Actually, the Jews are a race. Judaism is the religion. Most Jews are raised in Judaism, making them the largest single ethnoreligious group on the planet.

*The more you know*