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ahmedinajad
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ahmedinajad
You hear sometimes people saying that the world is no more than a circus.
It's of course exagerated but when you see that an international conference convened in order to discuss racism invites Ahmedinajad as one of it'a major speakers ,than you cannot but laugh at it as a circus joke.
Ahmedinajad is ,as president of Iran, a senior representative of the darkest theocracy of our time,driven by Homeinism ideology.
Remember ayatollah Homeini? This is the man who toppled the Shah 30 years ago and installed instead an oppressive regime against elementary freedom of conscience and right of justice for his own people,all that in the name of a fundamentalistic Islam.
In the first years of the Homeinistic regime hundreds and may be thousands of people were beaten up or flogged in public or even killed for such abominable crimes as men showing themselves in public with shaven faces or women going unveiled or boys holding hands with girls.
This dark middle-age oppression seem to have been loosened a bit nowadays but "Revolutionary guards"or 'Morality guards"are still roamig the streets in search of such "unspeakable crimes" to be severely reprimanded.
Dealers who are caught selling narcotics are still condemned to death and hanged in public places.

May be that it was right for the Iranians to remove the Shah, it's for history to judge, but from the point of view of justice and freedom for all people as we understand it in our times ,the Homeinistic regime remains a condemnable oppressive regime .

Now, one can say that racism and internal oppression has nothing to do one whith the other,does it really?
The issue of racism has to do with justice and equality of rights for all citizens of a country ,all right,
but who is the man to fight against racism ?

Could it be a man who leads this dark theocratic oppressive regime in his own country?
The motives of this man are more than obvious -to deflect external criticism against Homeinism by pointing his finger in the direction of others and presenting himself as a fierce fighter for justice.

Racism is obviously a crime which should be eradicated all over the world,but putting this man Ahmedinajad as a major personality of the fight against racism is a joke of a kind fitted for no more than a circus .
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RE: ahmedinajad
(April 28, 2009 at 12:18 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote: You hear sometimes people saying that the world is no more than a circus.
It's of course exagerated but when you see that an international conference convened in order to discuss racism invites Ahmedinajad as one of it'a major speakers ,than you cannot but laugh at it as a circus joke.
Ahmedinajad is ,as president of Iran, a senior representative of the darkest theocracy of our time,driven by Homeinism ideology.
Remember ayatollah Homeini? This is the man who toppled the Shah 30 years ago and installed instead an oppressive regime against elementary freedom of conscience and right of justice for his own people,all that in the name of a fundamentalistic Islam.
In the first years of the Homeinistic regime hundreds and may be thousands of people were beaten up or flogged in public or even killed for such abominable crimes as men showing themselves in public with shaven faces or women going unveiled or boys holding hands with girls.
This dark middle-age oppression seem to have been loosened a bit nowadays but "Revolutionary guards"or 'Morality guards"are still roamig the streets in search of such "unspeakable crimes" to be severely reprimanded.
Dealers who are caught selling narcotics are still condemned to death and hanged in public places.

May be that it was right for the Iranians to remove the Shah, it's for history to judge, but from the point of view of justice and freedom for all people as we understand it in our times ,the Homeinistic regime remains a condemnable oppressive regime .

Now, one can say that racism and internal oppression has nothing to do one whith the other,does it really?
The issue of racism has to do with justice and equality of rights for all citizens of a country ,all right,
but who is the man to fight against racism ?

Could it be a man who leads this dark theocratic oppressive regime in his own country?
The motives of this man are more than obvious -to deflect external criticism against Homeinism by pointing his finger in the direction of others and presenting himself as a fierce fighter for justice.

Racism is obviously a crime which should be eradicated all over the world,but putting this man Ahmedinajad as a major personality of the fight against racism is a joke of a kind fitted for no more than a circus .

Could the reason for this post be that you live in Israel?
HuhA man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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RE: ahmedinajad
(April 29, 2009 at 2:40 pm)bozo Wrote: Could the reason for this post be that you live in Israel?

I don't, and I agree with his post.
Best regards,
Leo van Miert
Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall --Torque is how far you take the wall with you
Pastafarian
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RE: ahmedinajad
(April 29, 2009 at 3:00 pm)leo-rcc Wrote:
(April 29, 2009 at 2:40 pm)bozo Wrote: Could the reason for this post be that you live in Israel?

I don't, and I agree with his post.

I know you don't. Fact is that Ahmedinajad has said that Israel should be wiped off the map. Is that not a likely motivator for such a post?
HuhA man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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RE: ahmedinajad
It is very likely a sufficient reason to do so, but when others who don't have a stake in this agree with the post there must be something more to it than just location don't you?
Best regards,
Leo van Miert
Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall --Torque is how far you take the wall with you
Pastafarian
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RE: ahmedinajad
(April 29, 2009 at 6:51 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: It is very likely a sufficient reason to do so, but when others who don't have a stake in this agree with the post there must be something more to it than just location don't you?

Perhaps,yes.
HuhA man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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RE: ahmedinajad
(April 30, 2009 at 3:15 pm)bozo Wrote:
(April 29, 2009 at 6:51 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: It is very likely a sufficient reason to do so, but when others who don't have a stake in this agree with the post there must be something more to it than just location don't you?

Perhaps,yes.

Hi guys.
Yes I am an Israelian and you guessed allright the reason of my post.
I appreciate very much your approving of what I wrote.
I would even be more happy to have a discussion on this issue taken into consideration the absolute anti atheist internal politics of states like the Homeinistic Iran where only a hint of being atheist runs the danger of being arrested and most surely severely condemned.
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RE: ahmedinajad
Do you consider Israel to be racist against the Palestinian people?
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RE: ahmedinajad
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Do you consider Israel to be racist against the Palestinian people?
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Certainly not.
You have to know the history of the conflict in order to judge who is racist against whom.
Here is a small list of events who regular people don't know:
-During WWII the leader of the Palestinians the Mufti of Jerusalem Hadj Amin El-Hussein was the ally of Hitler and planned with him that when the german army led by Rommel will arrive in Palestine they will destroy all of the Jewish population.Who was the racist?
-Israel was legally approved by the UN on November 1947.The next morning after the declaraton of inndependence, 7(seven) Arab states invaded Israel with the openly declared purpose to kill all the Jews.Who was the racist?
-Most of the Arabs who fled Israel during this war, did not because they were forced, but because they were strictly forbidden by tha same Mufti to remain in the territory of the heretic non believers.In the same time they were promised to return in a short time after victory when thy will take part in the looting of the defeated Jews.Sure there were also exception when in the wake of the fights Arabs were expelled,but this was only a small minority.So who is here the racist?.
-In 1967 Nasser concentrated the Egiptian army in the Sinay desert,without any territoral dispute whatsoever with Israel, with the openly declaration that he will threw all Jews in the sea.Was Nasser a racist?.
-In 1982 Yasser Araffat sitting with his guerrilla army in south Lebanon shelled continously for a whole year the northern civil population of Israel till Israel not being able to bear it anymore started the war against Lebanon.Are terrorist actions against civilians compatible with international normes of nonracists?
-During the years 2001 -2003 the Palestinian launched bloody terrorist attacks against civilians on busses ,supermarkets,hotels ,cafees,public roads,,with the result of hundreds of deads and thousands of wounded,all under the slogan of "kill the Jew".
The killing stopped when Israel build separating high walls on the border of the Westbank and introduced a lot of road blocks.
Now those walls and road blocks are being pointed by the Palestinians as racism,but thet are in reality a life jacket for defending civilians.
Terrorist attempts have not stopped for a single day since then, they ar only better defeated by the help of the walls and of the road blocks.
--In the year 2006 Israel evacuated by it's own good will all of the territory of the strip of Gaza. The hope was that the evacuation will bring a bit of peace at least from this region. Instead following "democratic"election the terrorist goup of Hamas defeats the legal Palestinian Authority ,evicts them from Gaza and installs a theocratic oppressive regime against his own people.
The shelling of Israeli towns and villages begins on a dayly base albeit with a primitve rocket but which is capable in inspiring awe and fear on civilians and also a number of victims.
Hamas declares openly it's final goal to destroy Israel.
Hamas knowing that Israel is going to retalliate for the shelling installs land mines in private houses putting with purpose his population in danger in order to be able to point that Israel killed civilians.
During the Gaza war ,the leaders of Hamas hid themselves in the bunker of the Gazan hospital.
It is true tha there were many ,to many,casualties and death of women and children.But this awfull result has nothing to do with racism but with a warfare imposed by Hamas.
-Last but no least the Arabs living in Israel are citizens with full rights equal to all the population.They have their own Arab parties,they have their own repesentatives in the Parlament.In the last years a lot oe Israeli Arabs lead anti israeli campaigns in and out of Israel but being Mp's nobody is going to harm them.True that there are some activities closed to Arabs as for instance in the army or other areas related to security but you'll find Arabs as Doctors ,Judges,civil servants ,ministers,scientists and so on.
There is not a single Arab country where Jews would have a hundredth or the righs arabs are enjoing in Israel.
So who is finally the racist against whom?
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RE: ahmedinajad
wikipedia Wrote:Following the birth of political Zionism in 1897 and its acceptance by the British Balfour Declaration, the League of Nations adopted the British Mandate of Palestine after World War I, which was "in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine..." In November 1947 United Nations decided on partition of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab. Partition was accepted by Zionist leaders and rejected by Arab leaders; the 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine immediately followed that decision. On May 14, 1948, with the British mandate ending, the Jewish National Council declared Israel independent; the neighboring Arab states attacked the next day. Israel successfully defended its independence and as a result of the war, gained control of areas beyond those in the UN Partition Plan. Since then, Israel has fought a series of wars with neighboring Arab states, and in consequence, Israel controls territories beyond those delineated in the 1949 Armistice Agreements and some international borders remain in dispute.

Due to a British mandate?

Israel controls territories beyond those delineated in the 1949 Armistice Agreements?
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