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[Minimalist]

Here are side by side "translations" of the Khirbet Qeiyafa ostracon. It is hard to believe that the translators are reading the same language, and of course, as Rollston points out, they are not.

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.co...ption.html

But how certain are the contents of this inscription? Without having to know Hebrew or the finer points of Northwest Semitic epigraphy, we can detect the actual level of uncertainty just by comparing these translations:

A. Translation on John Hobbins’ website:

1 Do not do [anything bad?], and serve [personal name?]

2 ruler of [geographical name?] . . . ruler . . .

3 [geographical names?] . . .

4 [unclear] and wreak judgment on YSD king of Gath . . .

5 seren of G[aza? . . .] [unclear] . . .

B. Translation “provided by the University of Haifa”:

1 you shall not do [it], but worship the [Lord]. 

2 Judge the sla[ve] and the wid[ow] / Judge the orph[an] 

3 [and] the stranger. [Pl]ead for the infant / plead for the po[or and] 

4 the widow. Rehabilitate [the poor] at the hands of the king. 

5 Protect the po[or and] the slave / [supp]ort the stranger

Again, as with the Tel Dan stele anything inside brackets [ ] is a guesstimate by the translator and must be discounted. If they could read the inscription clearly they would not have to guess!

[Rokcet Scientist]

[...] The Jews as a nation seem to have clumped together/'arisen' in the 6th century BC. And like any nation they wanted/needed a history. So they concocted one [...]

It happens all the time. Example: America.
The 'pilgrim fathers' didn't come to America because they were persecuted (how could they be? Living as they were in the most religiously tolerant country of the era). That persecution crock was their concocted history! In reality, quite contrary, they came to America with the specific intention to persecute religious dissidents. And they did! Remember the Salem witch hunts?

If you have another couple centuries pay attention to how American history evolves. Before this millennium is out the Pilgrim Fathers will have been turned into prophets, patriarchs, and angels (while in reality they were a nasty bunch of murderous, witch burning intolerant assholes).

The Jews consider themselves 'different', 'special', 'the apple of God's eye', and have in reality turned into bona fide fascists.
The Americans consider themselves 'different', 'special', 'the greatest nation on earth under God', and have in reality turned into bona fide fascists.
Both run ghettos and illegal concentration camps for their 'undesirables', which they want to get rid of (read: kill).

That's why they are such big pals. Have a 'special relationship'. They have a lot in common: piles of bullshit and nasty, murderous assholes. And they have the same to lose: face.

[Epimethean]

Min, yer feedin' a monkey here who can't even peel a banana.

[Minimalist]

Oh, it isn't for that dickhead. It's for the sane people.

The proto-Canaanitic script was used by everyone in the region no matter what "language" (or perhaps dialect would be a better word) they spoke. Even though Russian and Greek use the Cyrillic alphabet you won't get too far if you try to read a Greek text in Russian.

[Epimethean]

Greek I can grok; Russian, only phonetically at best.

[Phil]

i know they were written in proto-Canaanite characters rather than hebrew as we know today.

And you know this how? Were you there?

[Minimalist]

The Jews as a nation seem to have clumped together/'arisen' in the 6th century BC.

Yes, but they were a rather insignificant part of a satrapy of the Persian empire. Put yourself in the position of the Persians. Would you have allowed that sort of grandiose thinking in a subject territory of yours? The Persians were kicked out by the Greeks; first Alexander, then the Ptolemies, finally the Seleucids. The Seleucids were not kicked out until the mid-2d century BC and the Hasmonean kingdom arose and actually overran the territories which were ascribed to the legendary "David." Actual history of first millenium Palestine....as distinct from bible fairy tales... indicate that this was virtually the only time in the whole first millenium that an independent and regionally powerful "Jewish" state actually existed...and it was gone by 63 when Pompeiius Magnus came rolling through the region.

It is also the only time when a powerful king might have need for a phonied up "history" in which he claimed to be the successor to earlier powerful kings.

Of course, xtians everywhere will have a diarrhea hemorrhage about this but fuck 'em.

[Rokcet Scientist]

The Jews as a nation seem to have clumped together/'arisen' in the 6th century BC.

Yes, but they were a rather insignificant part of a satrapy of the Persian empire. Put yourself in the position of the Persians. Would you have allowed that sort of grandiose thinking in a subject territory of yours? The Persians were kicked out by the Greeks; first Alexander, then the Ptolemies, finally the Seleucids. The Seleucids were not kicked out until the mid-2d century BC and the Hasmonean kingdom arose and actually overran the territories which were ascribed to the legendary "David." Actual history of first millenium Palestine....as distinct from bible fairy tales... indicate that this was virtually the only time in the whole first millenium that an independent and regionally powerful "Jewish" state actually existed...and it was gone by 63 when Pompeiius Magnus came rolling through the region.

It is also the only time when a powerful king might have need for a phonied up "history" in which he claimed to be the successor to earlier powerful kings.

Purely coincidentally, of course, about the same time the supposedly oldest DSS were scribbled.

Of course, xtians everywhere will have a diarrhea hemorrhage about this but fuck 'em.

Twice.

[Phil]

Of course, xtians everywhere will have a diarrhea hemorrhage about this but fuck 'em.

Explains the title of the book Does God Have Diarrhea.

[Rokcet Scientist]

Purely coincidentally, of course, about the same time the supposedly oldest DSS were scribbled.

Which, thinking about it, makes the oldest DSS suspiciously look like ordinary PR pamphlets of the era (a lot like Fox today)! An organized, funded, willful and deliberate falsification of history...

Oops! The Jews won't like that distinct possibility gaining notoriety and traction!
Or the Xtians, for that matter!
I.o.w. the battle to expose the DSS for what they really are can count on heavy artillery from the opposing forces!
The DaVinci Code IRL!