Just to interject a little logic here, you can be against some abortions and not be "encouraging billions of new humans to be born . . . " Furthermore, giving women financial incentive to have abortions only makes the problem worse. To be okay with abortion to the point where you want to pay people to abort their kids is a little fucked. While I am pro-choice, I completely see other alternatives to abortion and prefer them. Abortion is just as much of a health risk as pregnancy. We should be providing incentives for people to be on birth control. Yes, people, not women.
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I reject all moral objectivism too, but I realised a while ago that if we are going to put up with moral subjectivism (as we try to), then we have to be consistent. If we protect the right to life of murderers and abolish the death penalty, then we should abolish it for innocent humans who are genetically no different to you or I.
I'm with you on social planning; all the way. However, I'd prefer that we encourage people to practice safe sex rather than give them money to go and have their children killed. The root of the problem isn't solved with abortion.  RE: More Ron Bashing
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(February 19, 2012 at 12:35 pm)Tiberius Wrote: If we protect the right to life of murderers and abolish the death penalty, then we should abolish it for innocent humans who are genetically no different to you or I. So you are opposed to abortion on all grounds, since the baby is ALWAYS innocent in every case of abortion. So you are 100% opposed to any abortion even in case of rape and incest... ...or are THOSE babies less innocent than other unborn babies?  (February 19, 2012 at 6:10 am)5thHorseman Wrote: I particularly love your statement ' philosophically, abortion is morally wrong', thanks for being subjective, but next time just say its your own opinion, don't add the philosophically, it doesn't make you appear any more intelligent then you really are, quite the opposite in fact. If you ever read ethical philosophy, it says that abortion and murder of any kind is immoral. The exception may lie in some existentilism but even that would be fringe. This is common sense. Yet although I along with MILLIONS of other human beings know that abortion is not exactly a "saintly" action by any means, I still think that it should be legal and women should still have a choice. That's all I was saying. I could say the same thing for drug use, it CAN be generally immoral when done EXCESSIVELY, but I think all drugs should be legalized as they are in the Netherlands. The job of the government is not to be the "Karma Police" as Radiohead would say or moral enforcers. People should be able to choose whatever they want to do... within reason. I don't really care what you think of me personally. A Buddha is always misunderstood, especially by dishonest cynics. I understand your angst, but it does not perturb me.
You, yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.
There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going all the way, and not starting. Buddha  
Are you claiming to be a Buddha?
(February 19, 2012 at 10:55 pm)Shell B Wrote: Are you claiming to be a Buddha? Good question. No, I am not a Buddha. I am a student of buddha. But I could potentilly become a buddha. Anybody can with the right effort.
You, yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.
There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going all the way, and not starting. Buddha Quote:I don't really care what you think of me personally. A Buddha is always misunderstood, especially by dishonest cynics. Well, you were right. I misunderstood this. It looks very much like you think of yourself as a Buddha. At any rate, I am familiar with the "effort" of becoming a Buddha. I don't believe it, of course. (February 19, 2012 at 11:00 pm)Shell B Wrote:Quote:I don't really care what you think of me personally. A Buddha is always misunderstood, especially by dishonest cynics. I like to imagine that I am a Buddha, but I know it's an ego thing. Realistically I am too immoral and unfocused to currently be a buddha, although I do have some characteristics that shine through on occasion. I dabble with the religion, I am not a monk. I honor science and logic of course, yet the right hemisphere of my brain seeks mysticism. What do you believe in for self improvement?
You, yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.
There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going all the way, and not starting. Buddha
Logic, kindness, etc.
Loving people who deserve it, especially. I don't actively try to improve myself, but these things make me feel better. (February 19, 2012 at 11:39 pm)Shell B Wrote: Logic, kindness, etc. That's totally cool. It' funny because Zen teaches that we don't have to improve ourselves at all but 'just be' ourselves. Whatever resolves conflicts in the mind is beneficial. take care, you are good girl 
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