Hello atheistforum

[Whateverist]

If everyone followed His teachings, this world would be ..

Utopia always looks attainable under totalitarian control. There are so many ways to fill in the "..if only everyone _____ " and still come up with something harmonious. The trouble is we all chafe under such control.

[Epimethean]

Utopia has to be an irreality, and this is why modern religions trade so heavily in it.

[brotherlylove]

If everyone followed His teachings, this world would be ..

Utopia always looks attainable under totalitarian control. There are so many ways to fill in the "..if only everyone _____ " and still come up with something harmonious. The trouble is we all chafe under such control.

You're absolutely right, if you have human beings running it. There is a move for this right now, in the form of a one world government, to consolidate into one world system to give one man absolute power.

The only leader you could trust is a perfect one, and only God is perfect.

[Whateverist]

Utopia always looks attainable under totalitarian control. There are so many ways to fill in the "..if only everyone _____ " and still come up with something harmonious. The trouble is we all chafe under such control.

You're absolutely right, if you have human beings running it. There is a move for this right now, in the form of a one world government, to consolidate into one world system to give one man absolute power.

The only leader you could trust is a perfect one, and only God is perfect.

[Nebuloso]

I will also correct you here; Jesus was not a human sacrifice. Would you call a man who died in the hospital of third degree burns after running into a burning building to save someones life a human sacrifice? In the same way, Jesus died for us. He took the punishment for our sins, and He never did anything wrong. He didn't have to go to the cross; He did it out of love for us and for His Father.. Even if it were just you, He still would have gone.

If your god is all powerful, then why didn't he just forgive the people if thats what he wanted? Why does he have to play this sadistic game of sending his son (or himself which is debatable but irrelevant) to be tortured to death before he will forgive? Quite noble of him considering he only has to be dead for 3 days before he comes back to life, then he gets to go to heaven and be god of the universe. Sign me up for that job!

The only leader you could trust is a perfect one, and only God is perfect.

And the biggest question is why do you believe what you believe and why should I believe you?

[KichigaiNeko]

No jeebus was an invented scapegoat to fit in with the pagan understanding of the solar year, which far outstripped the uneducated "church fathers" writing this crap in the first place.

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You don't know anything about science, you don't know anything about history...what fucking good are you??

[Sciwoman]

[brotherlylove]

[J.D.]

Hello atheists, agnostics and other nonbelievers,

I'll just give you a short testimony:

Why I believe

A few years back I decided to give Christianity a try, to see if its claims were true. I answered an alter call and gave my life to Jesus Christ, confessing that I am a sinner, and pledging my life to Him.

After I was baptized, I received the Holy Spirit. I would contrast this as the difference between 110v and 220v. When I went into the water I was 110v, and when I came out of it I had been switched to 220v.

After receiving the Holy Spirit, several lifelong addictions were dropped within a few months, without any real effort on my part. I simply had no desire for them anymore. I also felt joy for the first time since I was a child.

This continues on to this day, with many positive changes in my life and inner life. I am at peace.

The internal witness of the Holy Spirit, and the changes that have happened in my life, internally and externally, validate my belief in God, and prove this scripture to be true:

John 16:7

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Jesus promised when He ascended into Heaven that He would send the Holy Spirit to everyone who believed in Him. This proves that He is in Heaven, at the right hand of power, which proves Jesus is God, which proves the rest of the bible.

Why I didn't believe

I used to be a nonbeliever and thought and said many of the same things I see people saying on this website. I used to think Christianity was utterly ridiculous. I had many intellectual reasons I believed it was untrue, but I can say the real reason I rejected it, at least subconsciously, was that I didn't want to give up what I would need to give up to become a Christian (at least an honest one). I didn't want to be told what to do. The intellectual reasons were merely justifying the underlying rejection of Gods authority over my life.

What I can tell you is that, no matter how certain you are, no matter how bitterly opposed you are to it, your beliefs would change instaneously if you were to receive evidence it was true. What I didn't understand, and what many of you probably don't understand, is that God does provide evidence of His existence. He gave us instructions on how to receive this evidence, and you refuse to follow those instructions, you can't expect to get any results.

So, that is my experience in a nutshell, and my thoughts about unbelief. I look forward to getting to know you better. God bless.

This is bullshit and you know it.

[Phil]

I am rigorously logical in my thought process

You owe me a 19 inch monitor.