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Frustrating circumstances....
February 11, 2012 at 1:01 am
Anyone else have a real pisser of a situation where you meet someone you can't date because of a religious barrier?
On top of that had an argument with my mom on how I visited atheists sites and became deluded by "evidence". I went ahead and asked her how I could convince myself that arguments I see as illogical are logical. Apparently I am a liar/dishonest in a sense even if it is not explicitly stated.
The problem is in order for me to accept Christianity again I would have to become a liar. So either way I am a fucking liar? SWEET oh well fucked in the ass (throws in towel).
Anyway... just wanted to rant.
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RE: Frustrating circumstances....
February 11, 2012 at 1:05 am
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No problem Voltair...
Yep fell in love with a guy who's religion (aka religious parents) wouldn't have me. Seems like your mum is in the same boat, that is, her religion is more important than you being an honest person. No, you are not going to 'win' with either cases so just be yourself.
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February 11, 2012 at 1:22 am
Sigh, not exactly they aren't crazy fundamentalists. But there is no way she is going to accept that I can be honest and reject Christianity. Doing that would in a sense be HER rejecting Christianity.
I don't think she would be willing to see how IT IS wrong... its just a damn vicious cycle. Fucking religion.... causes so many damn problems.
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RE: Frustrating circumstances....
February 11, 2012 at 2:52 am
She's your mom....you're entitled to make excuses for her.
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February 11, 2012 at 4:13 am
(February 11, 2012 at 1:22 am)Voltair Wrote: that I can be honest and reject Christianity.
Well you can start by not using language like that. It's really more like not accepting. Then you also need to tell her that you can't believe in something just because she wants you to. Explain that that's not honesty.
"Sisters, you know only the north; I have traveled in the south lands. There are churches there, believe me, that cut their children too, as the people of Bolvangar did--not in the same way, but just as horribly. They cut their sexual organs, yes, both boys and girls; they cut them with knives so that they shan't feel. That is what the Church does, and every church is the same: control, destroy, obliterate every good feeling. So if a war comes, and the Church is on one side of it, we must be on the other, no matter what strange allies we find ourselves bound to."
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RE: Frustrating circumstances....
February 11, 2012 at 4:25 am
Your mums a nasty piece of work. Christians are the most intellectually dishonest cretinous fucks I've ever met. Don't pander to being a Christian again, you live your life for you not anyone else.
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February 11, 2012 at 4:36 am
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I also don't want to deconvert her really.... eh... too many stresses.
No worries though I cannot climb back to Christianity even if I wanted to. There really is no way back in unless there is some groundbreaking evidence that NONE of us have ever seen before... and you know how likely that is.
My parents have actually not isolated me or anything and we are still on good terms. I have figured out though that it is probably best to not discuss this with her... I don't think we will be able to avoid fighting.
Discussing it with my dad is much more peaceful and easy. He doesn't really get riled up and listens well too. I just needed to vent some frustration I have been having is all. As always I appreciate the support ^_^.
It is strange and comforting though... so far when I look at people and tell them "Well what do you expect me to do?" they really seem at a loss for words. THAT IS THE DAMN POINT there is nothing I can do but be honest about it really.
I feel like I am speaking a different language sometimes though... I mean... I used to believe but... well you all know what I am talking about anyway -.-. It's like trying to speak English to a guy who only knows mandarin Chinese.
As far as she goes I am not mad at her. It is the only logical conclusion she can come to. My parents still love me and want me around. I can't expect her to think I am being completely honest. She probably thinks I am more deluded than anything but... It's just damned if I do damned if I don't.
as is expected.
