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RE: Reverse Russell's Paradox
February 20, 2012 at 12:48 am
(February 19, 2012 at 2:34 pm)LastPoet Wrote: On the other hand you proposed the reversal and didn't said anything worth about it, so what is it that you are saying? Do you even know what a paradox is?
I think you have it backwards there.
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RE: Reverse Russell's Paradox
February 20, 2012 at 8:47 am
(February 18, 2012 at 2:12 pm)AthiestAtheist Wrote: (February 17, 2012 at 4:20 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Yes
But how can it, if the set cannot be contained?
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RE: Reverse Russell's Paradox
February 20, 2012 at 8:23 pm
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(February 20, 2012 at 12:48 am)AthiestAtheist Wrote: (February 19, 2012 at 2:34 pm)LastPoet Wrote: On the other hand you proposed the reversal and didn't said anything worth about it, so what is it that you are saying? Do you even know what a paradox is?
I think you have it backwards there.
To be fair, there isn't much to say about the original post. Even ZFC insists that for every set S, the powerset P(S), namely the set of all subsets of S (including S itself) exists. A statement that begins with 'Can the set that cannot be contained...' holds as much water as a statement that begins with 'Can the square with five sides....'
It doesn't matter what absurd things we might conclude once we assume there exists a square with five sides: by using proof-by-contradiction (or if you're a fan of xkcd, thanks to the principle of explosion) we're able to prove everything. Until we have a reason to accept the existence of a 'set that cannot be contained,' we don't have a paradox. The real work is in showing that there is a set that cannot be contained, or that we can produce one via some agreed-upon axioms.
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RE: Reverse Russell's Paradox
February 20, 2012 at 11:55 pm
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(February 20, 2012 at 8:23 pm)Categories+Sheaves Wrote: A statement that begins with 'Can the set that cannot be contained...' holds as much water as a statement that begins with 'Can the square with five sides....'
Actually that statement is a paradox itself. So the real work is in determining if "the set that cannot be contained" is a paradox.
(February 20, 2012 at 8:23 pm)Categories+Sheaves Wrote: (or if you're a fan of xkcd, thanks to the principle of explosion)
I like xkcd, please give me a link to that.
(February 20, 2012 at 8:23 pm)Categories+Sheaves Wrote: Can the color Sweden be eaten by Catholicism?
You do remember that this thread has a smiley-face icon, right? 
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RE: Reverse Russell's Paradox
February 21, 2012 at 3:32 am
(February 20, 2012 at 11:55 pm)AthiestAtheist Wrote: I like xkcd, please give me a link to that.
http://xkcd.com/704/
(February 20, 2012 at 11:55 pm)AthiestAtheist Wrote: You do remember that this thread has a smiley-face icon, right?
That's what I thought at first... then your comments started sounding sort of serious-like and I wasn't so sure anymore.
Pardon my pompous hooey.
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RE: Reverse Russell's Paradox
February 21, 2012 at 9:40 pm
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What's wrong with having a serious take on a fake premise? 
"Sisters, you know only the north; I have traveled in the south lands. There are churches there, believe me, that cut their children too, as the people of Bolvangar did--not in the same way, but just as horribly. They cut their sexual organs, yes, both boys and girls; they cut them with knives so that they shan't feel. That is what the Church does, and every church is the same: control, destroy, obliterate every good feeling. So if a war comes, and the Church is on one side of it, we must be on the other, no matter what strange allies we find ourselves bound to."
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