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Godisgood · October 11, 2017 at 9:29 pm

(October 11, 2017 at 9:26 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:
(October 11, 2017 at 9:24 pm)Godisgood Wrote: So we can start with evil and suffering. When does evil come into the world according to the Bible? (which I will refer to as Gods Word, I hope you dont mind.)

I don't mind. Go ahead.

When does evil come into the world according to the Bible?

**Foxaèr** · (This post was last modified: October 11, 2017 at 9:32 pm by Foxaèr.)

(October 11, 2017 at 9:29 pm)Godisgood Wrote: When does evil come into the world according to the Bible?

Sorry, I thought you were going to offer more than just a question.

Okay, I'll bite and answer. According to the bible, evil came into the world when god knowingly, because he is omniscient, created the very being he knew would turn against him, his favorite angel, the morning star who would later be referred to as Lucifer. It can then be logically inferred that god created evil.

**Minimalist** · October 11, 2017 at 9:37 pm

Quote:Such a mature response. I was hoping you were going to be a reasonable Atheist and actually have a conversation with me.

Maybe if you stopped being an apologist and acknowledged the human creation of that shit, I would. Right now, you are nothing but another chew toy.

Godisgood · (This post was last modified: October 11, 2017 at 9:43 pm by Godisgood.)

(October 11, 2017 at 9:31 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:
(October 11, 2017 at 9:29 pm)Godisgood Wrote: When does evil come into the world according to the Bible?

Sorry, I thought you were going to offer more than just a question.

Okay, I'll bite and answer. According to the bible, evil came into the world when god knowingly, because he is omniscient, created the very being he knew would turn against him, his favorite angel, the morning star who would later be referred to as Lucifer. It can then be logically inferred that god created evil.

It can then be logically inferred that god created evil.

No! It cant! The Bible says that God cannot do evil and that He cannot be tempted by evil. Please dont skip to Isaiah. I'm sure thats what you are thinking and when we get to that, there is an explanation for that verse.

(October 11, 2017 at 9:39 pm)Godisgood Wrote:
(October 11, 2017 at 9:31 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: Sorry, I thought you were going to offer more than just a question.

Okay, I'll bite and answer. According to the bible, evil came into the world when god knowingly, because he is omniscient, created the very being he knew would turn against him, his favorite angel, the morning star who would later be referred to as Lucifer. It can then be logically inferred that god created evil.

It can then be logically inferred that god created evil.

No! It cant! The Bible says that God cannot do evil and that He cannot be tempted by evil. Please dont skip to Isaiah. I'm sure thats what you are thinking and when we get to that, there is an explanation for that verse.

Just because God knew what would happened and He let it happen, that doesn't make Him the Creator of evil.

(October 11, 2017 at 9:39 pm)Godisgood Wrote:
(October 11, 2017 at 9:31 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: Sorry, I thought you were going to offer more than just a question.

Okay, I'll bite and answer. According to the bible, evil came into the world when god knowingly, because he is omniscient, created the very being he knew would turn against him, his favorite angel, the morning star who would later be referred to as Lucifer. It can then be logically inferred that god created evil.

It can then be logically inferred that god created evil.

No! It cant! The Bible says that God cannot do evil and that He cannot be tempted by evil. Please dont skip to Isaiah. I'm sure thats what you are thinking and when we get to that, there is an explanation for that verse.

(October 11, 2017 at 9:39 pm)Godisgood Wrote: It can then be logically inferred that god created evil.

No! It cant! The Bible says that God cannot do evil and that He cannot be tempted by evil. Please dont skip to Isaiah. I'm sure thats what you are thinking and when we get to that, there is an explanation for that verse.

Just because God knew what would happened and He let it happen, that doesn't make Him the Creator of evil.

And it isnt logical to say that God is the Creator of evil because the Bible doesn't agree. We will get to Isaiah.

**Foxaèr** · October 11, 2017 at 9:45 pm

(October 11, 2017 at 9:39 pm)Godisgood Wrote: No! It cant! The Bible says that God cannot do evil and that He cannot be tempted by evil. Please dont skip to Isaiah. I'm sure thats what you are thinking and when we get to that, there is an explanation for that verse.

Just because God knew what would happened and He let it happen, that doesn't make Him the Creator of evil.

God cannot do evil, yet he drowned the world and apologized for it with a rainbow. If he cannot do evil, there would have been no need for an apology.

An omniscient being that is all-knowing, who knows what he's doing and knows what will happen due to what he's doing, makes him the creator of evil when he could have simply not created that one innocent angel that has been blamed for all of the evil in the world.

Godisgood · (This post was last modified: October 11, 2017 at 9:50 pm by Godisgood.)

(October 11, 2017 at 9:39 pm)Godisgood Wrote:
(October 11, 2017 at 9:31 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: Sorry, I thought you were going to offer more than just a question.

Okay, I'll bite and answer. According to the bible, evil came into the world when god knowingly, because he is omniscient, created the very being he knew would turn against him, his favorite angel, the morning star who would later be referred to as Lucifer. It can then be logically inferred that god created evil.

It can then be logically inferred that god created evil.

No! It cant! The Bible says that God cannot do evil and that He cannot be tempted by evil. Please dont skip to Isaiah. I'm sure thats what you are thinking and when we get to that, there is an explanation for that verse.

(October 11, 2017 at 9:39 pm)Godisgood Wrote: It can then be logically inferred that god created evil.

No! It cant! The Bible says that God cannot do evil and that He cannot be tempted by evil. Please dont skip to Isaiah. I'm sure thats what you are thinking and when we get to that, there is an explanation for that verse.

Just because God knew what would happened and He let it happen, that doesn't make Him the Creator of evil.

(October 11, 2017 at 9:39 pm)Godisgood Wrote: It can then be logically inferred that god created evil.

No! It cant! The Bible says that God cannot do evil and that He cannot be tempted by evil. Please dont skip to Isaiah. I'm sure thats what you are thinking and when we get to that, there is an explanation for that verse.

Just because God knew what would happened and He let it happen, that doesn't make Him the Creator of evil.

And it isnt logical to say that God is the Creator of evil because the Bible doesn't agree. We will get to Isaiah.

According to the bible, evil came into the world when god knowingly, because he is omniscient, created the very being he knew would turn against him, his favorite angel, the morning star who would later be referred to as Lucifer.

Evil came into the world when Adam choose by his own freewill to disobey God, knowing the consequences.

(October 11, 2017 at 9:39 pm)Godisgood Wrote:
(October 11, 2017 at 9:31 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: Sorry, I thought you were going to offer more than just a question.

Okay, I'll bite and answer. According to the bible, evil came into the world when god knowingly, because he is omniscient, created the very being he knew would turn against him, his favorite angel, the morning star who would later be referred to as Lucifer. It can then be logically inferred that god created evil.

It can then be logically inferred that god created evil.

No! It cant! The Bible says that God cannot do evil and that He cannot be tempted by evil. Please dont skip to Isaiah. I'm sure thats what you are thinking and when we get to that, there is an explanation for that verse.

(October 11, 2017 at 9:39 pm)Godisgood Wrote: It can then be logically inferred that god created evil.

No! It cant! The Bible says that God cannot do evil and that He cannot be tempted by evil. Please dont skip to Isaiah. I'm sure thats what you are thinking and when we get to that, there is an explanation for that verse.

Just because God knew what would happened and He let it happen, that doesn't make Him the Creator of evil.

(October 11, 2017 at 9:39 pm)Godisgood Wrote: It can then be logically inferred that god created evil.

No! It cant! The Bible says that God cannot do evil and that He cannot be tempted by evil. Please dont skip to Isaiah. I'm sure thats what you are thinking and when we get to that, there is an explanation for that verse.

Just because God knew what would happened and He let it happen, that doesn't make Him the Creator of evil.

And it isnt logical to say that God is the Creator of evil because the Bible doesn't agree. We will get to Isaiah.

According to the bible, evil came into the world when god knowingly, because he is omniscient, created the very being he knew would turn against him, his favorite angel, the morning star who would later be referred to as Lucifer.

Evil came into the world when Adam choose by his own freewill to disobey God, knowing the consequences.

(October 11, 2017 at 9:45 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:
(October 11, 2017 at 9:39 pm)Godisgood Wrote: No! It cant! The Bible says that God cannot do evil and that He cannot be tempted by evil. Please dont skip to Isaiah. I'm sure thats what you are thinking and when we get to that, there is an explanation for that verse.

Just because God knew what would happened and He let it happen, that doesn't make Him the Creator of evil.

God cannot do evil, yet he drowned the world and apologized for it with a rainbow. If he cannot do evil, there would have been no need for an apology.

An omniscient being that is all-knowing, who knows what he's doing and knows what will happen due to what he's doing, makes him the creator of evil when he could have simply not created that one innocent angel that has been blamed for all of the evil in the world.

God cannot do evil, yet he drowned the world and apologized for it with a rainbow. If he cannot do evil, there would have been no need for an apology.

Yeah that isn't evil especially since there are reasons for it.

The rainbow was a promise that He will never said another rainbow.

(October 11, 2017 at 9:45 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:
(October 11, 2017 at 9:39 pm)Godisgood Wrote: No! It cant! The Bible says that God cannot do evil and that He cannot be tempted by evil. Please dont skip to Isaiah. I'm sure thats what you are thinking and when we get to that, there is an explanation for that verse.

Just because God knew what would happened and He let it happen, that doesn't make Him the Creator of evil.

God cannot do evil, yet he drowned the world and apologized for it with a rainbow. If he cannot do evil, there would have been no need for an apology.

An omniscient being that is all-knowing, who knows what he's doing and knows what will happen due to what he's doing, makes him the creator of evil when he could have simply not created that one innocent angel that has been blamed for all of the evil in the world.

An omniscient being that is all-knowing, who knows what he's doing and knows what will happen due to what he's doing, makes him the creator of evil when he could have simply not created that one innocent angel that has been blamed for all of the evil in the world.

No it doesnt make Him the Creator. When you choose to have kids you know they will disobey you, right? Yet you choose to have them anyway. Logically based on what you are arguing, you should be held responsible for your childs mistakes.

(October 11, 2017 at 9:45 pm)Godisgood Wrote:
(October 11, 2017 at 9:39 pm)Godisgood Wrote: It can then be logically inferred that god created evil.

No! It cant! The Bible says that God cannot do evil and that He cannot be tempted by evil. Please dont skip to Isaiah. I'm sure thats what you are thinking and when we get to that, there is an explanation for that verse.

Just because God knew what would happened and He let it happen, that doesn't make Him the Creator of evil.

And it isnt logical to say that God is the Creator of evil because the Bible doesn't agree. We will get to Isaiah.

According to the bible, evil came into the world when god knowingly, because he is omniscient, created the very being he knew would turn against him, his favorite angel, the morning star who would later be referred to as Lucifer.

Evil came into the world when Adam choose by his own freewill to disobey God, knowing the consequences.

(October 11, 2017 at 9:39 pm)Godisgood Wrote: It can then be logically inferred that god created evil.

No! It cant! The Bible says that God cannot do evil and that He cannot be tempted by evil. Please dont skip to Isaiah. I'm sure thats what you are thinking and when we get to that, there is an explanation for that verse.

Just because God knew what would happened and He let it happen, that doesn't make Him the Creator of evil.

And it isnt logical to say that God is the Creator of evil because the Bible doesn't agree. We will get to Isaiah.

According to the bible, evil came into the world when god knowingly, because he is omniscient, created the very being he knew would turn against him, his favorite angel, the morning star who would later be referred to as Lucifer.

Evil came into the world when Adam choose by his own freewill to disobey God, knowing the consequences.

(October 11, 2017 at 9:45 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: God cannot do evil, yet he drowned the world and apologized for it with a rainbow. If he cannot do evil, there would have been no need for an apology.

An omniscient being that is all-knowing, who knows what he's doing and knows what will happen due to what he's doing, makes him the creator of evil when he could have simply not created that one innocent angel that has been blamed for all of the evil in the world.

God cannot do evil, yet he drowned the world and apologized for it with a rainbow. If he cannot do evil, there would have been no need for an apology.

Yeah that isn't evil especially since there are reasons for it.

The rainbow was a promise that He will never said another rainbow.

(October 11, 2017 at 9:45 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: God cannot do evil, yet he drowned the world and apologized for it with a rainbow. If he cannot do evil, there would have been no need for an apology.

An omniscient being that is all-knowing, who knows what he's doing and knows what will happen due to what he's doing, makes him the creator of evil when he could have simply not created that one innocent angel that has been blamed for all of the evil in the world.
An omniscient being that is all-knowing, who knows what he's doing and knows what will happen due to what he's doing, makes him the creator of evil when he could have simply not created that one innocent angel that has been blamed for all of the evil in the world.

child'silds mistakes.

An omniscient being that is all-knowing, who knows what he's doing and knows what will happen due to what he's doing, makes him the creator of evil when he could have simply not created that one innocent angel that has been blamed for all of the evil in the world.

Saying that He could have avoided creating the angel misses the Big Picture. The angel isn't blamed for bringing evil into the world. You've got that wrong. Its Adam that is blamed.

**Foxaèr** · October 11, 2017 at 9:51 pm

Let me first state it's not your fault that you cannot properly quote. I see so much confusion above me right now. It's too late at night for me to wade through it in order to have a proper discussion. Maybe you can learn how to properly quote before we can continue. I apologize.

Godisgood · October 11, 2017 at 9:54 pm

God cannot do evil, yet he drowned the world and apologized for it with a rainbow. If he cannot do evil, there would have been no need for an apology.

Where are you getting the idea that the rainbow is God apologizing?

**Foxaèr** · (This post was last modified: October 11, 2017 at 9:59 pm by Foxaèr.)

(October 11, 2017 at 9:54 pm)Godisgood Wrote: Where are you getting the idea that the rainbow is God apologizing?

The rainbow was a promise to never again flood the earth, correct?
Therefore, the rainbow is a metaphorical representation of an apology for the wrong he had done.

(October 11, 2017 at 9:56 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: The rainbow was a promise to never again flood the earth, correct?
Therefore, the rainbow is a metaphorical representation of an apology for the wrong he had done.

Adding to this:
I know this because my father, after hitting me, would promise to never again hit me by offering me a gift.
The gift was his way of apologizing for the wrong he had done.

Godisgood · (This post was last modified: October 11, 2017 at 10:02 pm by Godisgood.)

(October 11, 2017 at 9:56 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:
(October 11, 2017 at 9:54 pm)Godisgood Wrote: Where are you getting the idea that the rainbow is God apologizing?

The rainbow was a promise to never again flood the earth, correct?
Therefore, the rainbow is a metaphorical representation of an apology for the wrong he had done.

(October 11, 2017 at 9:56 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: The rainbow was a promise to never again flood the earth, correct?
Therefore, the rainbow is a metaphorical representation of an apology for the wrong he had done.

Adding to this:
I know this because my father, after hitting me, would promise to never again hit me by offering me a gift.
The gift was his way of apologizing for the wrong he had done.

God wasn't apologizing! I have never heard any atheist make that claim before ever!!

Can you do me a favor and look something up for me?

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