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My somewhat deconversion
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RE: My somewhat deconversion
You can tell me exactly what a soup can is, hell, you can hit me in the head with one if I doubt it. I can read the label, I can check the contents.

You can only tell me what god -is said- to be. You could try to beat me over the head with one (and we see that often enough) but it isn't actually any god that's being swung like a club in that exchange. The labels are printed on top of each other, they all claim different ingredients. To top it off, I can't check the contents even if I wanted to.

A theist's point of view is only valuable to me if some truth value can be assigned to it. I can establish the truth value of the claims made on a can of soup anytime you'd like to put one to the test. Seems to me that a can of soup is at least as useful as a god in the area of purpose, as a nice little bonus, they contain soup. In short, a can of soup is everything that a god is not. It is real, it is tangible, it is beneficial to me, and it is accessible.
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#22
RE: My somewhat deconversion
(April 20, 2012 at 12:45 am)Rhythm Wrote: You can tell me exactly what a soup can is, hell, you can hit me in the head with one if I doubt it. I can read the label, I can check the contents.

You can only tell me what god -is said- to be. You could try to beat me over the head with one (and we see that often enough) but it isn't actually any god that's being swung like a club in that exchange. The labels are printed on top of each other, they all claim different ingredients. To top it off, I can't check the contents even if I wanted to.

A theist's point of view is only valuable to me if some truth value can be assigned to it. I can establish the truth value of the claims made on a can of soup anytime you'd like to put one to the test. Seems to me that a can of soup is at least as useful as a god in the area of purpose, as a nice little bonus, they contain soup. In short, a can of soup is everything that a god is not. It is real, it is tangible, it is beneficial to me, and it is accessible.

True. This is partly why I'm considering atheism. Nothing about God seems to be verifiable. He's apparently invisible, immaterial, untouchable, non temporal, and mute. How convenient! For a guy who supposedly loves the whole world, he sure has a funny way of expressing that love. He appears to express it the same way a monster in a closet expresses his hunger.
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"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
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RE: My somewhat deconversion
(April 19, 2012 at 12:40 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: I don't find atheism very appealing. I can't see yet how it just doesn't turn into nihilism.

IMHO

I believe it is nihilism. What keeps one going is not the end, but the present. Whatever life, free will, awareness or consciousness is, one thing can be said about it all and that is,"It is all good".
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson

God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers

Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders

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