Somebody said this to me

[MrSqurk]

nothing comes from nothing (common sense).

I always hate it when people say this. Nothing is not a thing by it's very nature it can't exist.

I also hate "What happened before the big bang?" or "What was there before the universe?". By my understanding(correct me if I am wrong) time came along with the big bang. It doesn't make sense to try and say something was before time existed.

Kind of hard to put into words don't know if that makes a whole lot of sense.

[Colanth]

One of the main flaws is that the big bang theory does not state the universe at one point did not exist, it says that it existed as a singularity, so the universe doesn't need to be created, as it is already there.

More modern theory (see Hawking) says that the singularity just came into being (as we have observed). I think that closes the last gap.

[Angrboda]

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, Hawking no longer postulates a singularity. At the time of the big bang, the universe was less than the Planck length, so our laws simply do not apply. (That's from Victor Stenger, anyway. I haven't personally read Hawking. Hawking also conjectures the Hawking-Hartle hypothesis which doesn't need a beginning, from what I understand.)

[Whateverist]

Time beginning with the big bang never made sense to me. Still doesn't.

Also, the idea that whatever came from 'our' big bang is all the stuff there is anywhere never seemed likely to me either. Square the known expanse of 'our' known universe. Travel that far in every direction. I'll bet you you find some more stuff somewhere, eventually.

The least appealing idea of all was the one that said that not only all stuff and time came into being with the big bang but space itself too is limited to the extent of that big bang's expansion (i.e., the universe). So unintuitive. I must be a simpleton cosmologist but ideas that sound crazy often turn out to be just that.

[Jackalope]

Time beginning with the big bang never made sense to me. Still doesn't.

Also, the idea that whatever came from 'our' big bang is all the stuff there is anywhere never seemed likely to me either. Square the known expanse of 'our' known universe. Travel that far in every direction. I'll bet you you find some more stuff somewhere, eventually.

The least appealing idea of all was the one that said that not only all stuff and time came into being with the big bang but space itself too is limited to the extent of that big bang's expansion (i.e., the universe). So unintuitive. I must be a simpleton cosmologist but ideas that sound crazy often turn out to be just that.

I have no doubt that in reality the future will be vastly more surprising than anything I can imagine. Now my own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose.

J.B.S Haldane

[Zen Badger]

Earlier in this thread I was roundly abused by a certain forum member for trying to speculate about what would happen at the end of the universe.

My question, based on the way the supermassive blackholes at the hearts of most galaxies are inexorably consuming their parents was this....

When, at the end of all things and there is nothing left but blackholes and gravity what next?

My thinking being that eventually all of these blackholes would coalesce into one super, super massive singularity which could be the seed of the next big bang.

But I was told I was stupid(and a smartass)

Then I came across this interesting article just the other day.

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%...=WAQFNBIVn

Prof Penrose says that his research shows that all matter in the universe will eventually be consumed by black holes, leaving only energy behind which will in turn trigger the next Big Bang.

And by none other than Roger Penrose.....

Quite.

[KichigaiNeko]

Vindication we feel much?

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

cdabamsworth Wrote: nothing comes from nothing (common sense).

Common sense is an oxymoron, often a euphemism for 'argument from ignorance. IE "I'm too ignorant, too unimaginative or too stupid to think of anything else"