definations

[Epimethean]

"If there is nothing more to be said then I am content with that."

You usually begin at the ends here. So far, that hasn't stopped you talking on.

[LiberalHearted]

These are some terms I have found that seem to have taken on new meanings outside of the bible.

Human kind (those not xtian) take on dictionaries. Statements below are invalidated as you are not the entire species human.

I think it necessary to understand these terms when phrasing questions and reading explanations concerning God or the bible.

Do not speak for entire forum, but a vast majority of those here have read the bible. Therefore, by it's contents no questions but comments. Note some . as in respect to ?

Please this is where you go off, a la la la la I'm not listening pace...and using phrases as if you are an expert. Doesn't endear you to people, I've read the bible questioned it, et al. Wanted to believe and found fantasy over truths seems an atheists view if not born into atheism.

Paper and pen in hand and books stacked in threes on a kitchen table to find the truth. My own personal journey. The librarian (until recently) still says hello to me in passing. (home bound now the reason)

I can provide a study for each of these words that underline their biblical usage, if anyone is interested I'll be happy to go over them with you line by line if need be.

Not feeling anyone wants a study. Since many on this board seem more learned than myself I am stating, it isn't necessary for a study.

Sin, Anything not in the Expressed Will of God.

Expressed Will of God, God's verbal, or written command; The Law of God.

Here we go again, If anyone is asking a question say myself, a websters would suffice for meanings of words. As that would be another source for what is known as evidence.

The rest, you surmise is just YOUR opinion as you have been indoctrinated. My suggestion partner up with someone that is also a xtian but not of your teachings. There may be some discussions and even differences shown.

We may all enjoy that over your redundant laments. I kinda doubt it, but at least it would not be the same old rerun.

[popeyespappy]

Do you not understand what the purpose of this thread is?

The real question is do we care?

[Drich]

Do you not understand what the purpose of this thread is?

The real question is do we care?

So as not to look the fool when you misphrase your questions or challenges to God/Christianity.

[genkaus]

Again as I said I am not here for most of you. I am here for the one or two who are Atheist simply because it was their default view on God from their father or because the church they attended could not answer their questions.

Even if there were one or two such atheists in this place, these discussions would definitely clear out any of their doubts.

[Angrboda]

Speaking of the bible, it just occurred to me: Paul clearly advises to abstain from sex, if at all possible; yet in Genesis, God commands Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply. So the "Word of God" both tells us to have sex, and not to have sex. One might escape the obvious contradiction by suggesting that God meant that Adam and Eve do so, but nobody else; but I know of no church that would, given both the issues of homosexuality and heterosexual marriage, and that of contraception. One might suggest that Jesus repudiated the law, but since God himself commanded it, that would seem to invalidate the ten commandments, and besides that, Paul is not himself God; it's hard to see how a mortal can repeal a commandment of God.

[downbeatplumb]

Again as I said I am not here for most of you. I am here for the one or two who are Atheist simply because it was their default view on God from their father or because the church they attended could not answer their questions.

Well atheist is my default view.

My mum was religious and my dad was a 'lapsed' catholic who has now changed his stance to atheist, I can sincerely say that I have never believed in god, from as early as i can remember I found it a silly idea.

So you are here for me apparently.

Hows that working out for ya.

[DeistPaladin]

I think Drich processes in binary only.

Most Christians do. Seriously.

Examples:
Jesus or Satan
Saved or Lost
"God" (meaning Yahweh) or no god

Fundamentalist Christian thinking in particular is prone to the pitfall of the false dichotomy, which you often see in apologetics.

Consequences I've noticed (not saying all do this but I've often seen these things):
1. An apparent inability to understand that even proving "God exists" leaves them with all their work still ahead of them as far as proving Christianity. "God" to them must be Yahweh. The idea God might turn out to be the Muslim god, a pagan god or any possibility not even thought of by humans never occurs to them.
2. A tendency to lump together all non-Christian things (or things that aren't part of their denomination) even when these things are unrelated or even hostile to one another (homosexuality, Islam, atheism, New Age) as "Satanic". After all, "not Jesus" narrows it down for them.
3. An apparent inability to understand that many religions have their own hells and their own salvation message. When they say "Hell is real", it doesn't occur to them to ask "which one?".

It also rears its ugly head in some popular apologetic arguments, such as "Pascal's Wager", the "Trilemma", "Would they die for a lie?" and other classic cliches.

[Drich]

Speaking of the bible, it just occurred to me: Paul clearly advises to abstain from sex, if at all possible;yet in Genesis, God commands Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply.

The passage in question from Paul comes from what he says in 1 Cor 7http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Corinthians+7&version=ERV
Paul Identifies this thoughts on the matter of sex as "not a command from God." So everything from verse 1 to verse 7 is Paul's personal thoughts, and from verse 8 forward are direct commands from God.

So the "Word of God" both tells us to have sex, and not to have sex.

No. Paul says he personally thinks it best, given the times and comming tribulations not to have sex, but in the same chapter he says God has ordained marriage for the purpose of sex and it is better to be married and have sex than to burn with passion outside of marriage.
why did Paul think it best to not have sex? Two reasons 1: because the fruit of sex is often children, and he knew of, the comming slaughter. Paul simply thought it best to spare any children from being fed to the lions or being dipped in hot wax, and set a blaze to be made human candles. 2: if one was not bound/worried about a family he was more free to serve God.

One might escape the obvious contradiction by suggesting that God meant that Adam and Eve do so, but nobody else; but I know of no church that would, given both the issues of homosexuality and heterosexual marriage, and that of contraception. One might suggest that Jesus repudiated the law, but since God himself commanded it, that would seem to invalidate the ten commandments, and besides that, Paul is not himself God; it's hard to see how a mortal can repeal a commandment of God.

Fear not, for this is not what has happened anywhere in the writtings of Paul. He does give a side bar or his personal thoughts from time to time but will always seperate his thought from God commands like He did in 1co7:6 "These are my thoughts and not a command from God."

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Again as I said I am not here for most of you. I am here for the one or two who are Atheist simply because it was their default view on God from their father or because the church they attended could not answer their questions.

Well atheist is my default view.

My mum was religious and my dad was a 'lapsed' catholic who has now changed his stance to atheist, I can sincerely say that I have never believed in god, from as early as i can remember I found it a silly idea.

So you are here for me apparently.

Hows that working out for ya.

People like you, yes. Because we had simliar starts.

[Epimethean]

For Paul to have cared, he would have had to have been real.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/apostles.html