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Is indeterminism in science still alive or dead?
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Is indeterminism in science still alive or dead?
Reading The God Delusion I have failed to understand what is the position of RD with referrence to indeterminism .
In some chapters of the book he speaks about "chance"or "luck" in the evolution of life or in origin of life with the meanning of randomness ,denying them alltogether and putting in evidence that those notions are sutained only by creationists or ID believers.

I searched the Wikipedia about 'Ideterminism"but wasn't satisfied about the delivered information.
I would like to ask the forum the following :
Is the :Uncertainity Pinciple still valid in science ,in quantum mechanics?
Is the same still valid in astronomy ( black holes) as proved by Stephen Hawking?
What happened to the Genetic Drift in Byology ?
The answers are important to atheism and would do a lot of good to be clarified.
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#2
RE: Is indeterminism in science still alive or dead?
How are the answers important to atheism exactly? Surely the only thing important to atheism is that God stays non-existent.
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RE: Is indeterminism in science still alive or dead?
(September 17, 2008 at 7:12 pm)Tiberius Wrote: How are the answers important to atheism exactly? Surely the only thing important to atheism is that God stays non-existent.

I have expressed in my thread about Atheism versus Destiny my opinion that practical atheism has to tackle the problem of religious belief in Destiny by accepting the existence of indeterminism as an inherent law of nature.

It is true that RD in his TGD does not accept "chance" as playing any role in Darwinistic theory of natural selection .
But he does not deny either in a concret way, scientific theories of indeterminism like the uncertainity principle in quantum mechanics discovered by Bohr and Heisenberg,like the same principle applicated by Stephen Hawking to the research of black holes,like the genetic drift which enhanced the Darwinistic view on natural selection.

Where have all these principles elapsed?
Are they obsolete ,where they replaced by other principles?

We are here in the chapter of science so a proper and well founded answer ia not out of place
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RE: Is indeterminism in science still alive or dead?
O.o

*Wonders if he's more or less confused than the author*
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RE: Is indeterminism in science still alive or dead?
(September 17, 2008 at 3:27 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote: I searched the Wikipedia about 'Ideterminism"but wasn't satisfied about the delivered information.

Maybe you spelled it wrong? Try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indeterminism

As far as I know, the uncertainty principle is still valid. I do have a degree in physics but that doesn't really mean much. It's not my job or anything. And I think we are diverging more into the realm of philosophy or something.
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RE: Is indeterminism in science still alive or dead?
I'm gonna confuse everyone:

Indeterminism is deterministic.

Take that physics!
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RE: Is indeterminism in science still alive or dead?
(September 19, 2008 at 6:43 am)Tiberius Wrote: I'm gonna confuse everyone:

Indeterminism is deterministic.

Take that physics!

Thanks
It is like sin x=2 a transcedental equation with no solution (as far as I was thaught in High school)
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RE: Is indeterminism in science still alive or dead?
Hehe. But seriously, I have no idea what to think about determinism / indeterminism. Kind of like the LHC, I'm interested but the physics goes over my head Tongue
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