Pro sports atheists, we need you.

[frankiej]

It really isn't as important as you are trying to make out, Brian. There are far more important things going on in this world than whether some sports person is an atheist or not. I'm not saying that lesser problems shouldn't be taken care of... this isn't really a problem to begin with.

I wasn't saying that "silence is golden". I was saying that it shouldn't matter if they are an atheist or not.

If someone is willing to thank Allah or Jesus for a soccer goal, is it a stretch for that same person to equate a victory over an "outsider" in war, where people really die, as being a benefit to their side?

Yes, that is a bit of a stretch, but if some deluded fellow wants to claim that then let them do so. They are allowed to think that and we are allowed to think that they are crazy. This is all quite irrelevant.

[Faith No More]

You keep making it sound as if atheists go to the south, we get the high-powered hoses and dogs turned on us.

Religion is a personal matter, and I fucking hate it when Tim Tebow gets down on one knee in front of everyone. I don't think the answer is to be as in your face about it as Christians are. I think we need to convince people to keep their religious beliefs to themselves, and not make it such an issue.

[Napoléon]

Right, because if blacks or women never objected to their mistreatment we'd all be better off.

Dude are you serious? How is the fact that people aren't singing from the tree tops about their atheism in any way equivalent to blacks/women/minorities getting mistreated?

You seem to be on some kind of crusade, but not everyone is on the same hymn sheet as you I'm afraid.

[Shell B]

Hockey is a lot more than fighting. There are fewer fights than people think there are. Actually watch a pro hockey game and you will see that hockey is a very challenging sport.

At any rate, why do you care who comes out as an atheist and who decides to keep it private? Are you some sort of activist?

[Thor]

I, for one, am sick of seeing athletes crossing themselves and pointing to the sky after hitting a home run or scoring touchdown. And I'm tired of athletes who credit "Jesus" or "God" for their success. Just once I'd love to see an athlete do something to win a game and then say, "And Jesus had nothing to do with it! I did that all on my own!"

[5thHorseman]

Atheists generally go on to do useful things............... like real work. Hardly a surprise given the brain power needed for running in a straight line, or catching a ball.

[Minimalist]

I, for one, am sick of seeing athletes crossing themselves and pointing to the sky after hitting a home run or scoring touchdown. And I'm tired of athletes who credit "Jesus" or "God" for their success. Just once I'd love to see an athlete do something to win a game and then say, "And Jesus had nothing to do with it! I did that all on my own!"

I'd like to see some fucker strike out and point to the sky. "Fuck you, jesus.....why didn't you tell me he was going to throw a slider down and away, ya prick."

[Brian37]

It really isn't as important as you are trying to make out, Brian. There are far more important things going on in this world than whether some sports person is an atheist or not. I'm not saying that lesser problems shouldn't be taken care of... this isn't really a problem to begin with.

I wasn't saying that "silence is golden". I was saying that it shouldn't matter if they are an atheist or not.

If someone is willing to thank Allah or Jesus for a soccer goal, is it a stretch for that same person to equate a victory over an "outsider" in war, where people really die, as being a benefit to their side?

Yes, that is a bit of a stretch, but if some deluded fellow wants to claim that then let them do so. They are allowed to think that and we are allowed to think that they are crazy. This is all quite irrelevant.

No it is not a stretch. More liberal theists like Cathy don't make that connection. But you are a fool to think that there are never wingnuts that even Sam Harris warns about who center their entire life around their deity belief. If one is willing to attribute a mere game to a god, what is to stop them from thinking that same god will defend them from the enemy?

Sam Harris's "End Of Faith" and Hitchen's "God Is Not Great, how religion poisons everything" address the mistake of "allowing" an absurd claim to be made, WHICH WE SHOULD ALLOW, as being irrelevant.

No one here should object to the human right to make any claim a person may want to make, ON ANY SUBJECT. But you are out of your gord if what theists claim never has an impact on the world.

[frankiej]

I think you may be looking into this a bit too much, my friend.

Also, we weren't even talking about claims made by theists really. You can call someone out on their claim that their deity helped them win, but any idiot can do that. You still haven't really made clear what reason it is that you want these people, who may or may not exist, to come out as atheists. I don't see how this changes the theist garbage.

[Napoléon]

But you are out of your gord if what theists claim never has an impact on the world.

Umm, nobody here said that it doesn't. Don't be so disingenuous to make out like people are claiming things which they are not.

The point most people are making is that we generally don't give a fuck. We aren't on the crusade of trying to change the world to thinking like us. And why should we be? Atheism is not a religion, or a cause. Why are you so intent on thinking that it is.

I'm sure as humanity progresses smart people will eventually ditch their gods, but I personally have no interest in forcing the issue. They will come to the realisation (or not) of their own accord.