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RE: The Need to Breed
August 19, 2012 at 2:12 pm
That's the second time you posted that, yeah?
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RE: The Need to Breed
August 19, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Well, CD, then our method of population control would be to control immigration to the point where it is only at par with the replacement fertility rate. 
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RE: The Need to Breed
August 19, 2012 at 2:33 pm
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Well..we do have that lovely wall we've been building......(though I have to say, doesn't seemed to have worked for the chinese, and their wall was more impressive).
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: The Need to Breed
August 19, 2012 at 2:33 pm
(August 19, 2012 at 2:32 pm)Shell B Wrote: Well, CD, then our method of population control would be to control immigration to the point where it is only at par with the replacement fertility rate.
As porous as our borders are... good luck with that!
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RE: The Need to Breed
August 19, 2012 at 2:46 pm
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(August 19, 2012 at 2:32 pm)Shell B Wrote: Well, CD, then our method of population control would be to control immigration to the point where it is only at par with the replacement fertility rate.
To what end btw? Why do we need to control our population? Why are we looking to cut off immigration to this nation of immigrants?
(our immigrant population consumes far less per capita btw...poverty and all)
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RE: The Need to Breed
August 19, 2012 at 4:39 pm
I'm not looking to cut off immigration. Why would I? I was being facetious. 
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RE: The Need to Breed
August 19, 2012 at 11:01 pm
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RE: The Need to Breed
August 19, 2012 at 11:58 pm
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RE: The Need to Breed
August 20, 2012 at 12:32 am
(August 19, 2012 at 11:58 pm)Rhythm Wrote: If we're going to keep breathing....we ought to be able to come up with a reason. Look, Cin, these quotes come from people with agendas to pursue ... [/quote}
What agenda? Keeping a balance between humans, plants, animals, and the earth itself? Yeah, I hope so. I'm all for that agenda.
(and that's fine, I have my own - but it bears mentioning), I question the assumptions used to reach the conclusions, perhaps you should start fleshing those assumptions out for me, handle my objections. You aren't bringing me any eye opening info, this stuff hasn't completely escaped my radar leaving me bewildered as to how we ended up where we are.
What objections have you handed me to deal with? We've already concluded our debate regarding forced population control. I'm not beating that horse. I am merely refuting your statement that quote, "human population is not a factor."
It very clearly is a factor, and that alone is what those articles are posted for. You (and a few others) seem to get so caught up in the amount of food available for future human use, when that is just one of the lesser issues. I'm only refuting ONE of your statements. It is painfully clear that human population is very much a factor in the welfare and balance of life on this planet.
Let me dumb it down (not that you require that, but humor me). Human population, not a factor right? So 100 thousand people or 10 billion people ... doesn't matter, because it's not a factor?
Come on man, why are you trying to sell me that?
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RE: The Need to Breed
August 20, 2012 at 12:40 am
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Same ones I've been repeating over and over again.
Are we at our limit, or are we at the limit of technology and methods that are outdated and well within our ability to replace/modify?
If overpopulation is so threatening to our environment then how did so few of us (You and me, good ole America) manage to handle so much of the devastation by itself? Is it possible that the overall population is nowhere near as pressing as the various activities of that population -even if it is only a small portion of them engaging in any given activity-?
I'm not selling anything. I'll say the same thing to you that I just said to Shell. If resource consumption was evenly spread then 10 million or 10 billion would matter, but when 10 million can consume more resources than another 10 billion have ever even seen....then it isn't the 10 billion that's the issue. The human population at large is not responsible for the great brunt of the damage we see, a small portion of us are. The damage that we do see, which is a product of our population (sprawl for example) isn't exactly some mysterious thing that we're at a loss to remedy. Some things, once done, cannot be undone, granted. But going forward......we could do a hell of alot better, wouldn't you agree?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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