The bible

[Minimalist]

What Will the Mashiach Do?

Before the time of the mashiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)

The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).
Olam Ha-Ba: The Messianic Age

Wow, Pad. By those terms if there was a jesus he was quite a fuck-up!

[Napoléon]

Yet another dishonest Christian who is just .

JAQing off is the act of spouting accusations while cowardly hiding behind the claim that one is "Just Asking Questions". The strategy is to keep asking leading questions in an attempt to influence listeners' views; the term is derived from the frequent claim by the denialist that they are "just asking questions," albeit in a manner much the same as political push polls. It is often associated with denialism in general.
— RationalWiki

Oh my Stevie, this perfectly describes someone else on this forum. I won't mention his name, but it starts with an S, and ends in an s. And also has the letters "pockrate" in between.

[Reforged]

Yet another dishonest Christian who is just .

Oh my Stevie, this perfectly describes someone else on this forum. I won't mention his name, but it starts with an S, and ends in an s. And also has the letters "pockrate" in between.

Only someone? I can think of half a dozen people this describes.

[Cyberman]

I would like to ask the question why is the Bible not historically correct? Can someone in some detail tell me why it cannot be correct or where it is said to be contradictory and also where it has mistakes?
thank you.

Well we could start from Chapter One, page one, which attempts to provide a passable Bronze-age understanding of the origin of everything but which we now know - not imagine, not pretend, but know - to be flat-out factually wrong. There is no water in the sky requiring a solid dome to separate it from the Earth, which itself was not formed before the Sun and Moon (which incidentally is not a light as the Sun is). Both of those were formed after most of the rest of the stars of the Universe (which are not little lamps hanging on the dome of the sky for signs and seasons but real, physical places, as real as the room you are reading this in, and which themselves do not provide light for the Earth). Indeed, if you are a day=age creationist follower, any plants (relying on photosynthesis) and insects (relying on photosynthesis-reliant plants) that we are told were around at this point would not have survived in the time before the Sun was made.

There was never a time when there was one human moping around a garden before "an helpmeet" was built from part of his body, either his rib or his baculum (penis-bone) depending on which train of thought to which you attach your little red wagon. And apart from certain novelty children's entertainers, snakes have never talked in a form understandable to humans, and indeed would regard crawling on their bellies as rather a comfortable and efficient method of locomotion than a punishment.

See, the problem essentially isn't one of historical accuracy or even reliability. The mythology does have truthful things in it, just as it has factually wrong things in it, and embarrassingly so. The problem is one of leaping automatically to its defense whenever points like these are raised. I just spent a week comforting and supporting an old friend who has ended a longterm relationship with an emotionally abusive partner - which is why I've been offline for so long and expect to be so on and off for the forseeable future. She can see this guy now for the piece of shit he is and can see for the first time what she wants in her life and how to get it. However, if I tried to tell her all this that she now knows back then when it was happening, and I did indeed try as did many others, the only result would have been to push her further into the relationship out of pure defense; the scales hadn't yet fallen from her eyes and she would have rejected all the advice that I and others gave her, which is exactly what happened.

This is a perfect example of what I mean:

Please show Biblical proof of your statements, book, chapter and verses.

[Cato: quotes book, chapter and verse]

Atheist claim they are so smart, yet you for one buy into such gullible nonsense. Tell me where has your reasoning gone, or have you ever had the ability to reason for yourself. IMO you have not, you listen to such trite explanations of scripture without ever taking the time to study scripture, you leave me and others wondering if a logical discussion is possible with you.

All of which translates as: "I cannot defend the provided information which I myself asked for, yet the bible has to be defended at all costs and against all reason. So the only way I can respond with the least amount of egg on my face is to dismiss the requested evidence and the person supplying it as having a biased, thus unreliable, agenda and therefore I can suggest a victory by default of avoiding the battle." It's the very definition of an ad hominem attack: shoot the messenger, ignore the message. Thereisagod, there may indeed be a god for you if that is what is comfortable for you to believe but please for your sake as well as ours don't follow in G-C's footsteps. They will only lead you deeper into the woods.

Oh, and G-C? Regarding "buying into gullible nonsense": had any meaningful conversations with any serpents and donkeys lately?

[Napoléon]

Only someone? I can think of half a dozen people this describes.

True, but if you were to put he who must not be named in the dictionary, this would be the exact description of him.

[Minimalist]

So the only way I can respond with the least amount of egg on my face

G-C is a walking, talking omelet, Stim.

[Cyberman]

Good point. Here's a new avatar for you G-C if you should ever need it:



Bit too happy but I do like the hairstyle - peas be upon you.

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See, this is what I love about this place. I spend an hour carefully crafting a thousand-word essay, checking it for spelling, grammar and facts, making sure I've set out my thoughts in as rational order as my peculiar brain will allow and making sure I've covered everything I want to address. Reaction: nothing.

Find you guys a picture of a smiley face or a dog with a funny hat and suddenly it's like George Carlin walked into the room...

[ThomM]

1 - There is no reason to believe the christ actually lived - there is NO mention of him in ANY document that can be dated to his supposed time.
2 - Most of the bible is embellished religious myth -
Virtually ALL of the Old Testament has NO basis in fact and cannot be supported by archeology or actual history
Example - if a GREAT FLOOD did happen - then the Kingdom of Egypt and its language would have ceased to exist - and yet - we have continuous records showing that did not happen. A flood of the claim of the bible would have left NO human created building standing and the salt from the water would have prevented plant growth to well beyond today - and that never happened. THERE was no Jericho at that time of that claim. Nazareth was a cemetery at the time of the christ. Archeology has pretty much eliminated Moses - Abraham - Isaac - and the Exodus - and this by JEWISH archeologists no less http://freethought.mbdojo.com/archeology.html

3 - Whoever concocted the bible fairy tales of the New Testament show a complete lack of knowledge of the Jewish religion. The story of the christ actually did NOT fullfill most of the prophecies of the Bible for the Mesiah - and the christ would have been considered a false prophet by the religion.
THe idea that the Jewish religious leaders would have let a false prophet into the temple of Jerusalem to "teach" is about equivalent to the POPE allowing a Muslim leader teach in the Vatican Sistine Chapel. THere are lots of other problems with the bible - but what is clear is that is is nothing more than ancient MYTH and LEGEND

[Cyberman]

Not to mention that geology has shown that there never was any such flood; in fact, everything that a global flood model predicts should be found is practically 180° the opposite of what actually is found; whereas real geological models are backed by overwhelming mountains (!) of independently overlapping and mutually supporting evidence.

[FallentoReason]

Not to mention that geology has shown that there never was any such flood; in fact, everything that a global flood model predicts should be found is practically 180° the opposite of what actually is found; whereas real geological models are backed by overwhelming mountains (!) of independently overlapping and mutually supporting evidence.

Ah, but you see, with faith the size of a mustard seed you can move mountains. I can blow your mountain of evidence away.