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17 Civillians Beheaded by the Taliban
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RE: 17 Civillians Beheaded by the Taliban
(August 27, 2012 at 6:54 pm)padraic Wrote: The Taliban are neanderthals,who disgust most Muslims (ask Rayaan)

The Taliban may very well disgust Rayaan and others, but from what I can tell, there isn't a widespread outcry among the Muslim community to stop the Taliban. Not only that, but the strict communities in Saudi Arabia turn a blind eye to the injustices done to their women in the name of a man's "honor." It's a "wink wink" patriarchal society fueled by religious lunatics. It seems to me that their governments feign outrage but in reality, it's business as usual regarding Allah-sanctioned atrocities committed by the Taliban.
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RE: 17 Civillians Beheaded by the Taliban
Quote:it's business as usual regarding Allah-sanctioned atrocities committed by the Taliban.

Well of course,religion is never allowed to actually interfere with poweful vested interests,only support them.
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RE: 17 Civillians Beheaded by the Taliban
(August 28, 2012 at 7:32 pm)Cinjin Wrote:
(August 27, 2012 at 6:54 pm)padraic Wrote: The Taliban are neanderthals,who disgust most Muslims (ask Rayaan)

The Taliban may very well disgust Rayaan and others, but from what I can tell, there isn't a widespread outcry among the Muslim community to stop the Taliban. Not only that, but the strict communities in Saudi Arabia turn a blind eye to the injustices done to their women in the name of a man's "honor." It's a "wink wink" patriarchal society fueled by religious lunatics. It seems to me that their governments feign outrage but in reality, it's business as usual regarding Allah-sanctioned atrocities committed by the Taliban.

Well, on the other hand, the Taliban is said to fight the US, so it also kinda makes them...anti-imperialistic. To say, this isn't really too different from the cases in which far left organisations of the past have been killing those who they deemed to be collaborators, or simply counter-revolutionary...
So from what I've heard around, some people believe that the atrocities that are described in the newspapers are simply...US propaganda, and the Taliban are a kind of green(islamic) revolutionaries that fight the imperialist NATO. However, I do believe that the Taliban, which were former trainees of the NATO, are perfectly capable of using such low methods to force local cooperation.
And they're not even a nationalistic popular front, they're said to be religious fanatics, not really concerned with building an Afghanistan, but simply to take power and do as they will, just as they did during the Soviet days...

I believe that you people put too much emphasis on religion here. To be honest, this isn't religiously motivated terrorism, crime or etc.
Such things exist in Iraq, where two moslem denominations commit atrocities towards eachother, or in Northern Ireland, or former Yugoslavia, where religion serves as a boundary to seperate different communities, and therefore, serves as the primary incentive for war, terrorism, bloodshed and everything else related to it.
Here we are, in Afghanistan.
I believe it's best if we state from the beginning that the Taliban itself is made up of the local population. So we have a case of the locals murdering the locals. And both of them are sunni moslems of the same school of thought, probably. How comes?
Religiously motivated? I think not.
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(August 28, 2012 at 7:34 pm)padraic Wrote:
Quote:it's business as usual regarding Allah-sanctioned atrocities committed by the Taliban.

Well of course,religion is never allowed to actually interfere with poweful vested interests,only support them.

And in doing so gain money and power there from.....

we are not ALL stupid.
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RE: 17 Civillians Beheaded by the Taliban
(August 28, 2012 at 7:34 pm)padraic Wrote:
Quote:it's business as usual regarding Allah-sanctioned atrocities committed by the Taliban.

Well of course,religion is never allowed to actually interfere with poweful vested interests,only support them.

Obvious statement is obvious. I was merely pointing out that their governments/people are not nearly so put-off by the atrocities of the Taliban as they would like the rest of civilized world to believe. There's no need to talk down to me like I'm some kind of fucking idiot.


(August 29, 2012 at 3:39 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: I believe it's best if we state from the beginning that the Taliban itself is made up of the local population. So we have a case of the locals murdering the locals. And both of them are sunni moslems of the same school of thought, probably. How comes?
Religiously motivated? I think not.

Whether or not the true motive is money and power, the act is justified and carried out by way of religion. The Taliban themselves gives explanation of their atrocities, and it is always for reasons of fundamentalist Islamic law.
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RE: 17 Civillians Beheaded by the Taliban
Quote:Whether or not the true motive is money and power, the act is justified and carried out by way of religion. The Taliban themselves gives explanation of their atrocities, and it is always for reasons of fundamentalist Islamic law.
Well, if this is going to turn into a theological discussion about whether the actions of the Taliban are in accordance with the moslem religion, I'd say that the Taliban give explanations according to their own motives, not according to law. Even though they enforce some laws that are in accordance with the islamic law, the way they enforce this is not in accordance with the fiqh.
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