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Existence and Infinity (Warning: major rambling)
September 3, 2012 at 5:16 pm
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(September 3, 2012 at 4:24 pm)idunno Wrote: Suppose you traverse an infinite distance of time (something I still think is -impossible) is there time after that? I mean, it's certainly not necessary. If you think of time as a standard real line, there aren't any points at infinity and there's no need for further elaboration. That being said, there's no shortage of topological shenanigans* you can pull here, (see earlier examples + the Alexandroff line) but we won't end up with something that looks like our nice, linear continuum if we do that stuff. So if you DO have something after that, it couldn't come after this "infinite time" in the same sense that the next moment will come after this one.
*Come to think of it, you could just take the regular old real line and severely mess with its distance metric. But if we want the stuff "after" the infinite time thing to occur, we'd probably need to take a 'timeless' position like IATIA's, that things/events exist in a sense unrelated to their happening right now or having happened in some timeline that produces the current moment after a finite amount of time (existing as a sort of direct history). (September 3, 2012 at 4:53 pm)IATIA Wrote: Time There is no time, there is no space. Everything exists, all universes, all possibilities. Seems to conflict with (September 3, 2012 at 4:53 pm)IATIA Wrote: Our linear perception of this existence is what limits us to this universe and all that exists is what we perceive. or am I wrong?
So these philosophers were all like, "That Kant apply universally!" And then these mathematicians were all like, "Oh yes it Kan!"
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RE: Existence and Infinity (Warning: major rambling)
September 3, 2012 at 5:24 pm
(September 3, 2012 at 5:16 pm)Categories+Sheaves Wrote: (September 3, 2012 at 4:53 pm)IATIA Wrote: Time There is no time, there is no space. Everything exists, all universes, all possibilities. Seems to conflict with (September 3, 2012 at 4:53 pm)IATIA Wrote: Our linear perception of this existence is what limits us to this universe and all that exists is what we perceive. or am I wrong?
Everything exists, but we are only aware of a portion of that which does. We have created in our minds a fluid explanation of our perceptions. Time is a creation that explains cause and effect as we perceive it, but it is only a creation of our linear thought process.
We see an apple fall and hit the ground, therefore we believe that in al cases, the apple must first fall before hitting the ground. All things exist now and the apple has already fallen and the apple has yet to fall.
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RE: Existence and Infinity (Warning: major rambling)
September 3, 2012 at 5:38 pm
(September 3, 2012 at 5:24 pm)IATIA Wrote: (September 3, 2012 at 5:16 pm)Categories+Sheaves Wrote: Seems to conflict withor am I wrong?
Everything exists, but we are only aware of a portion of that which does. We have created in our minds a fluid explanation of our perceptions. Time is a creation that explains cause and effect as we perceive it, but it is only a creation of our linear thought process.
We see an apple fall and hit the ground, therefore we believe that in al cases, the apple must first fall before hitting the ground. All things exist now and the apple has already fallen and the apple has yet to fall.
Yes, but there must also be an infinite amount of universes where the monkeys and typewriters never meet.
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RE: Existence and Infinity (Warning: major rambling)
September 3, 2012 at 5:44 pm
(September 3, 2012 at 5:38 pm)jonb Wrote: Yes, but there must also be an infinite amount of universes where the monkeys and typewriters never meet.
Absolutely.
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RE: Existence and Infinity (Warning: major rambling)
September 3, 2012 at 6:06 pm
(September 3, 2012 at 5:44 pm)IATIA Wrote: Absolutely.
So have we hit that place where the absurdist and the Nihilist bump in to each other and say given the vastness and the trillions involved any justification for it all is going to be pretty thin?
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RE: Existence and Infinity (Warning: major rambling)
September 3, 2012 at 6:33 pm
A lot of this thread seems to be going over my head now 
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RE: Existence and Infinity (Warning: major rambling)
September 3, 2012 at 6:43 pm
(September 3, 2012 at 6:33 pm)Napoléon Wrote: A lot of this thread seems to be going over my head now
No it isn't, unless your imbuing more meaning into it than is really there.
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RE: Existence and Infinity (Warning: major rambling)
September 3, 2012 at 6:55 pm
(September 3, 2012 at 6:43 pm)jonb Wrote: unless your imbuing more meaning into it than is really there.
No, I don't think I'm doing that.
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RE: Existence and Infinity (Warning: major rambling)
September 5, 2012 at 2:03 pm
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I asked Michio Kaku for a good video on infinity and this is what he pointed me towards:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPA3bwVVz...plpp_video
(Here's a playlist of his must see videos on this sort of thing: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL101E166E120852F9)
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