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Leaving JesusLand.
#11
RE: Leaving JesusLand.
(September 9, 2012 at 12:30 pm)Napoléon Wrote: I'd like to think that at some point human intelligence gets to a level where bullshit dogma is simply not even considered by any concious living being. But hey, I must be an optimist.


As for what the society would be like? I don't really know, but I do predict it would be a far way into the future.

The problem is in a free-for-all society there will always be benefit to those who are relatively more intelligent and persuasive in using their talents to indoctrinate those who are relatively more gullible and stupid. Their relative difference in cognition, perception, etc, will always allow the relatively more intelligent to indoctrinate the relatively less intelligent, no matter how intelligent the relatively less intelligent actually is on an absolutely scale.
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RE: Leaving JesusLand.
(September 9, 2012 at 11:27 am)Kayenneh Wrote:
(September 9, 2012 at 10:32 am)Ace Otana Wrote: Visit Sweden, it's as close as you're gonna get. With an 85% non religious population and among the most peaceful nations on earth.

Sure, a large percentage are 'atheist', but you find some of the most religious nutters (mostly immigrants unfortunately), who do all kinds of shit in the name of their gods. And Swedes, being the non-confrontational softies they are, are afraid taking about these problems, because they don't dare offend anyone. Many a problem is wiped under the rug and religious minorities are grabbing for benefits at the expense of the majority.

Typical, any place of peace, reason and science has to be ruined by mindless, misguided morons who can't grow up.
This is kinda way I'm a little hostile towards many of the religious. They have to ruin everything.
I know Sweden is too soft but that's because they're very peaceful and intelligent. When you have a delusional bully jump in and pester people, that's when you need to get tough and kick'em out. Why should others suffer for their lunacy?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#13
RE: Leaving JesusLand.
(September 9, 2012 at 12:53 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: I know Sweden is too soft but that's because they're very peaceful and intelligent.


Peaceful? Yes. Most Swedes value solidarity and pacifism and are on the whole a quite an agreeable people. Intelligent? Not so much. They have absolutely horrible statistics when it comes to education. In The PISA survey 2009 (forgive me, I was lazy and didn't check for newer data) Sweden was ranked 20th in reading, 26th in mathematics and 29th in science (out of 656 countries/areas). That's not good. Though, to Sweden's favor, they have a lot of ingenuity and entrepreneurship and the brilliant minds there are definitely world class.

Quote:When you have a delusional bully jump in and pester people, that's when you need to get tough and kick'em out. Why should others suffer for their lunacy?

Indeed, but as I said, they are so set on being equal and tolerant to everyone that in the end they go to far and everything is unequal. I would hate for Sweden to become a bigoted land like Finland (it's no secret that we are not tolerant to other cultures and frankly quite racist), but they could grow a stronger backbone.
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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#14
RE: Leaving JesusLand.
(September 9, 2012 at 1:11 pm)Kayenneh Wrote:


I did hear about the whole gender thing. Where they eliminate both male and female thing.
Going too far in equality indeed. If not Sweden, can you think of another paradise for reason and science?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#15
RE: Leaving JesusLand.
(September 9, 2012 at 1:27 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Going too far in equality indeed. If not Sweden, can you think of another paradise for reason and science?

My biased opinion? Finland. Big Grin
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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#16
RE: Leaving JesusLand.
(September 9, 2012 at 1:32 pm)Kayenneh Wrote:
(September 9, 2012 at 1:27 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Going too far in equality indeed. If not Sweden, can you think of another paradise for reason and science?

My biased opinion? Finland. Big Grin

Ok, if I fail to move to Devon (which is where I'd love to live), I'll move over to where you are. And I expects hugs! Big Grin
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#17
RE: Leaving JesusLand.
(September 9, 2012 at 1:34 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Ok, if I fail to move to Devon (which is why I'd love to live), I'll move over to where you are. And I expects hugs! Big Grin

Welcome! I'll be waiting at the airport with my arms open Big Grin
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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#18
RE: Leaving JesusLand.
The simple act of saying 'you're not allowed here because you believe X' is the reason that this could never exist. You say no republicans or conservatives are to be allowed, thus you are effectively creating a dogmatically liberal system and all we have achieved in this little thought experiment is alienating the other side instead of them us.
If we boil it down to is it possible to have an atheistic state? sure, but only by the personal atheism of every single individual, not by state control.
Religion is an attempt to answer the philosophical questions of the unphilosophical man.
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#19
RE: Leaving JesusLand.
(September 9, 2012 at 9:05 am)Homo Sapiens Wrote: Lets say that all atheist are about to make an new country,with plenty of natural resources. In this new country we would welcome Agnostic,Atheists,Buddhists, Gays,Lesbians,Transgends

But what if the gays and trannies are believers? Where will they go then?

Quote:We would also want people with college degrees and people with open-minded philosophies

A college education does not necessarily make a person knowledgeable or smart.

Quote:Our political system would be based on democratic,new left. Conservatives,republicans and other scum would not be welcome.

Though I lean to the left myself, I see no reason to exclude those to the right.

Quote:I want from you to imagine this place and try to describe it,how would we live,what kind of progress such an society would bring to others,is such a place simply utopian if so why,...you just let your imagination out,i want to see what we are able to think of about a society that will one day flourish on our planet.

It would be wonderful in the beginning, all new things are. But as times go by, the problems would present themselves. As long as we are distinct individuals, there will always be disagreement. What's the next boogeyman after religion and political views? I don't know, but I'm pretty sure that something will come up. It's sure nice to daydream about such a state, but as for now, I'd rather stay in the real world, trying to make this society better, with religious followers and all. Smile
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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#20
RE: Leaving JesusLand.
Things aren't too bad where I live in Australians, here Christians are a small minority and politicians (they don't for various reasons) could get away with pissing them off quite easily.

A Bill of Rights for the Australian Constitution like for the American one would help a lot in secularizing the nation much more than it is already is.

* In my country conservative Christians are often derided by the rest of the population as Wowsers (people sap all the fun out of any given situation).

(September 9, 2012 at 11:27 am)Kayenneh Wrote:
(September 9, 2012 at 10:32 am)Ace Otana Wrote: Visit Sweden, it's as close as you're gonna get. With an 85% non religious population and among the most peaceful nations on earth.

Sure, a large percentage are 'atheist', but you find some of the most religious nutters (mostly immigrants unfortunately), who do all kinds of shit in the name of their gods. And Swedes, being the non-confrontational softies they are, are afraid taking about these problems, because they don't dare offend anyone. Many a problem is wiped under the rug and religious minorities are grabbing for benefits at the expense of the majority.

That is because the Swedish government are a bunch of castrati when it comes to facing down the religious fanatics. The Australian government are much the same, like wise for our "easy going" populace.
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