Neo-Nazis Fly Under Radar

[cratehorus]

... huh? Am I the only one struggling to understand that post? (crate's I mean, not mehmet's).

I'm 100% sure all the paulbots........... don't have a fucking clue what I posted, but understood mehmet's perfectly

[kılıç_mehmet]

... huh? Am I the only one struggling to understand that post? (crate's I mean, not mehmet's).

I'm 100% sure all the paulbots........... don't have a fucking clue what I posted, but understood mehmet's perfectly

And would you agree?

[Darth]

Im pretty sure everyone who understands written English, 'Paulbot' or not (by the way, I'm not an American, and nor is Tiberius if I recall correctly), was able to understand what Mehmet wrote*, whether or not they agree with it is a different matter.
*It's not perfect by any means, the second and last sentences in particular are a bit iffy, but the point still gets across.

Your post is an entirely different kettle of fish.

yep they're mixed up because nazis in america are very good at propaganda, besides whatever "movement" your talking about is using libertarian as disqualifier (unless by european libertarian you mean the golden dawn party, sure hope not) they likely are saying "were somethiing that's commonly viewed in OUR country as authoritarian BUT were a libertarian version of them"......

I can't begin to disagree or agree because I don't understand what it is that you are trying to say.

Edit: German's quote, which you were replying to. Included to give the context, not that that's helping me.

Ok I wasnt aware that the liberterians and conservatives in your country were so mixed up. (Wich to me doesnt make any sence)
But still, would you considere it legitemate to use these two examples to categorize the entire liberterian movement as homophobic?

[cratehorus]

I'm 100% sure all the paulbots........... don't have a fucking clue what I posted, but understood mehmet's perfectly

And would you agree?

nope, I'm a communist, I think you are a degenerate peice of trash, and your inbred, and should be in prison......and blah blah blah you know the role.......... why?

[kılıç_mehmet]

And would you agree?

nope, I'm a communist, I think you are a degenerate peice of trash, and your inbred, and should be in prison......and blah blah blah you know the role.......... why?

I don't really think you're a communist though.

[Something completely different]

yep they're mixed up because nazis in america are very good at propaganda,

whom are you refering to as "nazis"? Can you prove that those to whom you refer to as "nazis" are nazis?

besides whatever "movement" your talking about is using libertarian as disqualifier (unless by european libertarian you mean the golden dawn party, sure hope not)

i meant individuals, organisations and political parties within a democracy, who follow "liberterianism" as ideological principle.
like for example the FDP.

they likely are saying "were somethiing that's commonly viewed in OUR country as authoritarian BUT were a libertarian version of them"......

who are "they"?
is it common in countries where people speak english to be so unspecific about whom they are talking?

also this leader your talking about might be homosexual, but just because someone is in that minority, doesn't mean they automatically disagree, with the idea of THAT MINORITY being a second class citizen, it's called an "uncle tom", many black people argue for white supremacy, many women argue against feminism....etc

the german liberterian party, probably didn`t publicly critisise homosexuality since the end of the Kohl era.
generaly, the issue of homosexual equality has taken a positive direction since the mayor of Berlin (Franz Wovereit) came out as a gay man.
I dont dought that the liberterian german party was homophobic in early days, but so were other political movements for a long time.
The german liberterian party is not, a officialy homophobic party.
The former head of that party and now foreign minister has never publicly spoken out against euqal rights for homosexuals.

I have the impression that you are generalising the liberterian movement on the bases of the american example and that you have created a strawman.

are you kidding? we have more white supremacist groups than that in Kentucky alone

JohnDB was writing about fashism, and how white supremecy is "always" connected or always leads to fshism. fashism was and still is wide spread all arround the globe throughout different cultures and ethniceties.
Did you know that the muslim brotherhood was founded as a fashist organisation?
JohnDB might wish-think that because white-fashist movements are more common therefor all fashism is white - but that`s bullshit.
I state that every organisation which calles it`s people and "culture" supreme to others and rejects democratic goverment is fashist.

..........and quit acting like germany invented white supremacy, when they invaded poland

your "knowlege of human behavior" is frightening, or at least your delusions and the things you believe to see are. the second option is probably more likely.

............. 80% of the world speaks english....not Swahili....... white people invented fascism

the world has an estemated 6 600 000 000 inhabitants.
of those 1 800 000 000 speak english.
that`s 27 and not 80 percent.

I googled this, and unlike you, I will leave a source link:

http://askville.amazon.com/percentage-pe...Id=4200224

I thought, I could expect on an atheist, forum that only deluded religious fanatics would lie to "prove" their points, but well, i forgot that ideological fanatics dont care if their "facts" arent true, as long as they prove their world view aswell.

And in case you didn`t lie and simply assumed or wishthought: Your assumptions and wet-dreams are not facts!

by the way. why do you think that racism is always in conection with fashism.

did you know that Franklin D. Roosvelt rejected to receive Jesse Owens after he had won olympic gold.
Would you call Franklin D. Roosvelt, after all the man who led the united states, a democracy, into joining a war against fashism, a fashist?
Did you know that Stalin saw Mao and the chinese as a "weaker race", is Stalin a fashist?
Winston Churchill thought of the Indians as a "savage people, with a savage religion", is Churchill a fashist?

Of course it has to be asked if the principles of people like these, eaven although some of them call themselves "republican, democrat, citizen of a republic" arent simply fashist:


But you cannot deny, that racism is a cultural phenomenon that has existed as a instinution and widely accepted thing throughout all western sociaties and was eaven aproved of people who were citizens and defenders of democracy.
Sociaty is a constantly moving and changeing thing in wich todays taboo might be part of tomorows normal life.

[cratehorus]

whom are you refering to as "nazis"? Can you prove that those to whom you refer to as "nazis" are nazis?

Ron Paul and his cult the american libertaryan party, the tea party, the golden dawn party from Greece..... etc........ all call "themselves" libertarians, would you consider them libertarian?

i meant individuals, organisations and political parties within a democracy, who follow "liberterianism" as ideological principle.
like for example the FDP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Democr..._(Germany) nowhere in that parties definition is the word "libertarian"

the german liberterian party, probably didn`t publicly critisise homosexuality since the end of the Kohl era.
generaly, the issue of homosexual equality has taken a positive direction since the mayor of Berlin (Franz Wovereit) came out as a gay man.
I dont dought that the liberterian german party was homophobic in early days, but so were other political movements for a long time.
The german liberterian party is not, a officialy homophobic party.
The former head of that party and now foreign minister has never publicly spoken out against euqal rights for homosexuals.

I have the impression that you are generalising the liberterian movement on the bases of the american example and that you have created a strawman.

Crypto-fascists use the term "the libertarian party" to disguise what they really are, in order to spread nazi propaganda, and their idealogy, to people that normally would reject them outright.

Hitler used the word socialist in national socialism under the advice of joseph goebells, in order to appear like a "middle of the road party", left of the right wing socialists............... and to the right of the left wing communist party.

you'd be surprised, how this word is used in america, I invite you to research ron paul and the comparisons between him and adolph hitler.

JohnDB was writing about fashism, and how white supremecy is "always" connected or always leads to fshism. fashism was and still is wide spread all arround the globe throughout different cultures and ethniceties.
Did you know that the muslim brotherhood was founded as a fashist organisation?
JohnDB might wish-think that because white-fashist movements are more common therefor all fashism is white - but that`s bullshit.
I state that every organisation which calles it`s people and "culture" supreme to others and rejects democratic goverment is fashist.

So, then whats the appropriate term? if not racist or fascist? then nationalist, maybe ? Ghandi was a left wing nationalist, wasn't he? ghandi was a left winger but he was technically a nationalist so by your simplified "everything is black&white" logic ghandi is racist.................

..... left-wing nationalism might be better than right wing nationalism but it's still nationalism. So, was ghandi a racist?

the world has an estemated 6 600 000 000 inhabitants.
of those 1 800 000 000 speak english.
that`s 27 and not 80 percent.

I said spoke english, not spoken as a first language, this also included patois, and dialects. there is some debate as to how one defines a "second language" but it's considered a global language.

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Because English is so widely spoken, it has often been referred to as a "world language", the lingua franca of the modern era, and while it is not an official language in most countries, it is currently the language most often taught as a foreign language. It is, by international treaty, the official language for aeronautical and maritime communications. English is an official language of the United Nations and many other international organizations, including the International Olympic Committee.

English is the language most often studied as a foreign language in the European Union, by 89% of schoolchildren, ahead of French at 32%, while the perception of the usefulness of foreign languages among Europeans is 68% in favour of English ahead of 25% for French. Among some non-English-speaking EU countries, a large percentage of the adult population claims to be able to converse in English – in particular: 85% in Sweden, 83% in Denmark, 79% in the Netherlands, 66% in Luxembourg and over 50% in Finland, Slovenia, Austria, Belgium, and Germany.

Books, magazines, and newspapers written in English are available in many countries around the world, and English is the most commonly used language in the sciences with Science Citation Index reporting as early as 1997 that 95% of its articles were written in English, even though only half of them came from authors in English-speaking countries.

This increasing use of the English language globally has had a large impact on many other languages, leading to language shift and even language death, and to claims of linguistic imperialism. English itself has become more open to language shift as multiple regional varieties feed back into the language as a whole.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language

by the way. why do you think that racism is always in conection with fashism.

racism is a core principle of fascism

did you know that Franklin D. Roosvelt rejected to receive Jesse Owens after he had won olympic gold.
Would you call Franklin D. Roosvelt, after all the man who led the united states, a democracy, into joining a war against fashism, a fashist?
Did you know that Stalin saw Mao and the chinese as a "weaker race", is Stalin a fashist?
Winston Churchill thought of the Indians as a "savage people, with a savage religion", is Churchill a fashist?

yes all those men were in albeit a lesser degree than mussolini, fascists

Of course it has to be asked if the principles of people like these, eaven although some of them call themselves "republican, democrat, citizen of a republic" arent simply fashist:

But you cannot deny, that racism is a cultural phenomenon that has existed as a instinution and widely accepted thing throughout all western sociaties and was eaven aproved of people who were citizens and defenders of democracy.
Sociaty is a constantly moving and changeing thing in wich todays taboo might be part of tomorows normal life.

xenophobia is different than racism but it is inherently racist

Societies are far more complex than to be simply, labeled "racist" or "non-racist" there is an ENORMOUS grey area. If you're denying that there is a grey area, then you're just guilty of racism as adolf hitler

[kılıç_mehmet]

I see that communist propaganda has done it's job well.

[Darkstar]

Neo-Nazis fly under the radar...hmmm. We don't see them as a threat now, but...
I don't know if there will ever be a particularly good time to bring up this, so I figured I'd just drop it in now.
He's Alive

[cratehorus]

I see that communist propaganda has done it's job well.

lol.....