Keith Olbermann

[DeistPaladin]

Anybody know whatever happened to him?

It seems like the powers that be in our media made him disappear with great thoroughness.

[Minimalist]

He was with Current TV for a while.

[Something completely different]

Well, alot might disagree with me, but what I saw of him, made me think of him as a megalomeniac.

[TaraJo]

Well, alot might disagree with me, but what I saw of him, made me think of him as a megalomeniac.

From what I've heard, his show has been intended to be a counterpoint to shows like The O'Reilly Factor, so I think that megalomenia is somewhat intentional. He's trying to be as extreme and as aggressive as O'Reilly is.

[Something completely different]

See your point, but still - please understand if this is a bit annoying for people who prefer objective media.

And it is a weird logic for me to tackle one extreme with the other extreme.

[TaraJo]

See your point, but still - please understand if this is a bit annoying for people who prefer objective media.

And it is a weird logic for me to tackle one extreme with the other extreme.

The people doing this aren't concerned with logic; they're concerned with shaping public opinion and media. The extremist left market hasn't really caught on, though.

[Tiberius]

Well, alot might disagree with me, but what I saw of him, made me think of him as a megalomeniac.

Could you expand on that a bit? What makes you think that?

[Something completely different]

Could you expand on that a bit? What makes you think that?

The reason for which he got fired. Demanding expensive studio equiptment and getting into an aggressive argument with his bosses in which he stated that the show could only exist with him.

To be honest I didn`t see that much of him, but what I saw was that in the early years of his show (the few which I saw) he mainly gave his political comments.

Then later (of which I saw more) he started demanding the resignation of a political figure holding office almoust every week, including the mayor of New York, Bloomberg, after the Occupy protests.

Of course that is his right to say so, and yes I dont know that much about american journalism and opinion "journalism".

But that seemed a bit megalomeniac to me.

The people doing this aren't concerned with logic; they're concerned with shaping public opinion and media. The extremist left market hasn't really caught on, though.

I am still a bit "confused" when someone is trying to "shape" public opinion. Not that journalists, politicians and activists here dont publish their opinion, but they mostly underline that their goal is to start debate.

I think the main reason why left wing news is not catching on because it doesnt have a that big economic targeting group.

Fox concentrates on a certain group of 40 to endless year old white people, who mainly rely on TV for their source of news and are comfortable with having their own views constantly represented to them.

The group which MSNBC is trying to target is younger and uses far more diverse methods of gaining news, like for example the internet.
Aswell as they are less comfortabel with having their views constantly repeated to them and look for confrontation and discussion.

Picked that up in some journal some time ago.

[TaraJo]

I am still a bit "confused" when someone is trying to "shape" public opinion. Not that journalists, politicians and activists here dont publish their opinion, but they mostly underline that their goal is to start debate.

I think the main reason why left wing news is not catching on because it doesnt have a that big economic targeting group.

Fox concentrates on a certain group of 40 to endless year old white people, who mainly rely on TV for their source of news and are comfortable with having their own views constantly represented to them.

The group which MSNBC is trying to target is younger and uses far more diverse methods of gaining news, like for example the internet.
Aswell as they are less comfortabel with having their views constantly repeated to them and look for confrontation and discussion.

Picked that up in some journal some time ago.

My 'pushing' public opinion, I mean that they're trying to change public opinion and shape it and turn it into what they want it to be. Fox News has been EXTREMELY effective with that, but since the only people who watch Fox News or really take them seriously are people who are already hard-line Republicans, all it's done is push the Republican base from a moderate position to an extreme position.

[CapnAwesome]

My 'pushing' public opinion, I mean that they're trying to change public opinion and shape it and turn it into what they want it to be. Fox News has been EXTREMELY effective with that, but since the only people who watch Fox News or really take them seriously are people who are already hard-line Republicans, all it's done is push the Republican base from a moderate position to an extreme position.

The ironic thing is that if you are correct (and I think there is decent evidence that you are) this is probably part of the reason that Republicans have been losing elections. They have shed the big tent. Fox doesn't just bash liberals, but also moderate republicans and libertarians who used to be welcome in the party. Left wingers should be sending them a thank you card every year.